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From Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release
Date Wed, 03 Oct 2018 10:24:37 GMT
Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really
important problem is discussed.

At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into
the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without
explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6
and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nikolay,
>
> this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way.
>
> Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed.
> Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and
> more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory.
>
> Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be
> bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be
> applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of
> understanding is not a justification.
>
> So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs
> were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all
> connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of
> fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to
> find out why WAL crashes and hangs.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com>:
>
> > Vladimir, Nikolay,
> >
> > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for
> > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6
> > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it
> with
> > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug?
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> >
> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhikov@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Hello, Dmitriy.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
> > >
> > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact*
> of
> > a
> > > bug.
> > >
> > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
> > > Is it Apache Way to do so?
> > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?
> > >
> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> > > >
> > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if
> > persistence
> > > > enabled).
> > > >
> > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure
> it
> > is
> > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I
> > will
> > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems
> exist
> > > and
> > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability
> of
> > > the
> > > > product.
> > > >
> > > > We should ask and answer other questions:
> > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the
> same
> > > area
> > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> > > >
> > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and
> > research
> > > > these failures in master (with no rush).
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Andrey, Anton,
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the
> > > impact to
> > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not
> strive
> > > to
> > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > > > >
> > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope,
> > unless
> > > > > impact is explained.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > >
> > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It
> > looks
> > > > >
> > > > > like a
> > > > > > release blocker to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > > > >
> > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <
> kaa.dev@yandex.ru
> > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost
> > > fixed
> > > > >
> > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > >:
> > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my
> absolute
> > > best to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > finalize
> > > > > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think
> > most
> > > of
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > >
> > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All
> > > these
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into
> AI
> > > 2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved
> furhter.
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final
> > > review
> > > > > >
> > > > > > stages
> > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another
> big
> > > part
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test
> failures),
> > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+
> > > support,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are
> > > grouped
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week
> > > should
> > > > >
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not
> > > believe all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only
> > > "must-have"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles
> > tickets
> > > > > >
> > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7
> > > release.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously
> > announces
> > > > > >
> > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL
> TASKS
> > > FOR 2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DUE
> > > > > > > > TO
> > > > > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new
> features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned
> to
> > > 2.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker
> friendly
> > > > >
> > > > > reminder
> > > > > > > #1,
> > > > > > > > *the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura
> пишет:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7
> branch
> > > soon.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey
> Kuznetsov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker
> > > termination
> > > > > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also,
> we
> > > have
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any
> objections?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost
> > > healthy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters
> to
> > > discuss
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > > > >
> > > > > pre-build
> > > > > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always
> > valid.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community
> actions;
> > > it is
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all
> > similar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay
> > Izhikov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir
> > > Ozerov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I
> do
> > > not
> > > > >
> > > > > see a
> > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope,
> but
> > > we are
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that
> any
> > > > >
> > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be
> > > finalized
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at
> some
> > > day in
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing?
> What
> > > about
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > regressions
> > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that
> from
> > > Monday
> > > > >
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is
> the
> > > sole
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > purpose
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep
> > rework
> > > of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our
> effrots
> > > will be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > lost.
> > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's
> time.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false
> hope
> > > puts us
> > > > > >
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > rush.
> > > > > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing.
> > > Result is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > known -
> > > > > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just
> > > want to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > it to
> > > > > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far
> from
> > > being
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from
> dates
> > to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge
> > will
> > > > >
> > > > > defeat
> > > > > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM
> > Vyacheslav
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daradur
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will
> > > not be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is
> > finished.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to
> > track
> > > > >
> > > > > phase 1
> > > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features,
> but
> > > we
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more
> > > reliable and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG
> > redesign
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > includes:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like
> > these
> > > take
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > > > >
> > > > > redeployment
> > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with
> > > overnight
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > runs.
> > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it
> > > would be
> > > > > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the
> release.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the
> testing?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're
> a
> > > do'er,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your
> opinion.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have
> spare
> > > > >
> > > > > cycles.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34,
> > Denis
> > > > >
> > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and
> > giving
> > > more
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > context.
> > > > > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> 2.7
> > > with
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > release at
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> tasks.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30
> AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so
> > many
> > > > > >
> > > > > > emotions
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as
> > SG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > redesign.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all
> > agreed
> > > > >
> > > > > about:
> > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally
> improve
> > > Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > product.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of
> the
> > > current
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > task
> > > > > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed
> > > *and
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > aligned*
> > > > > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov,
> > Alexey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list.
> This
> > > task
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my
> > > review*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > > > >
> > > > > > contribution
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my
> > comments
> > > in a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > day
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton
> > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community
> > > member
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on
> dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review -
> > > you are
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two
> > mutually
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > exclusive
> > > > > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned
> > > dates.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release
> > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release
> 2.7
> > > with
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8
> > > release at
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > end of
> > > > > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization
> tasks.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing
> > > release a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to
> discussion
> > > of SG
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense
> for
> > > you?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47
> > +0300,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned
> > > totally. The
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thread you
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some
> > community
> > > > >
> > > > > members
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of
> > doing.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > > > >
> > > > > community,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just
> > disagree.
> > > > >
> > > > > There
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean
> > Nikolay
> > > and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If
> > Vladimir
> > > is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree,
> it
> > > works
> > > > >
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 19:39,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the
> beginning
> > > of
> > > > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the
> release
> > > because
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has
> > changed
> > > > >
> > > > > since.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > > > >
> > > > > confidence
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release.
> > > The 2.7
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a
> release
> > > > >
> > > > > manager.
> > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is
> doing
> > a
> > > great
> > > > > >
> > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he
> proposed.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> > > 4:31 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this
> > > nonsense
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you
> > > disagreed with
> > > > > >
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that
> whole
> > > > > >
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >  > disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a
> > > separate
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > results
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject
> > their
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > contribution,
> > > > > > > > > >  > even
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > if
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait
> for
> > a
> > > > >
> > > > > couple
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > >  > > more.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some
> reason
> > > why
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dates
> > > > > > > > are so
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 12:20,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not
> > > ready,
> > > > >
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > not,
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > then we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release.
> > There
> > > is no
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > force
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > them into
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > schedule
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > >  > > agreed
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> > at
> > > 1:22
> > > > >
> > > > > AM
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct
> > > statement
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  "community
> > > > > > > > > >  > > did
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to
> > > 2.7/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > services
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > >  > out
> > > > > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please
> > forgive
> > > me my
> > > > > > > > > >  confusion.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> > г. в
> > > > >
> > > > > 11:19,
> > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So
> > correct
> > > > > >
> > > > > > statement
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > >  “it
> > > > > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > up
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes
> to
> > > 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент.
> 2018
> > > г. в
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 11:11,
> > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >  > > > >

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