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From Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release
Date Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:54:14 GMT
Andrey, Anton,

How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the impact to
users and in what circumstances users can met them?

Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive to
include them all, because bug != blocker.

So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, unless
impact is explained.

Vladimir.

вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com>:

> I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks like a
> release blocker to me.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
>
> вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Anton,
> >
> >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <kaa.dev@yandex.ru>:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters.
> > >
> > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed it.
> > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > >
> > >
> > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> > > finalize
> > > >>  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
> > > >>  contributors doing the same.
> > > >>
> > > >>  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com
> >:
> > > >>
> > > >>  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these
> > tickets
> > > were
> > > >>  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7
> scope.
> > I
> > > >>  would
> > > >>  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > > >>  >
> > > >>  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review
> stages
> > > (e.g.
> > > >>  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> > > >>  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and
> another
> > > big
> > > >>  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> > > etc.). So
> > > >>  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped
> > around
> > > >>  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be
> > very
> > > >>  good.
> > > >>  >
> > > >>  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > >>  > wrote:
> > > >>  >
> > > >>  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all
> > these
> > > >>  > tickets
> > > >>  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have"
> > tickets
> > > in
> > > >>  2.7
> > > >>  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > D.
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > >>  > > wrote:
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > > Igniters,
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets
> without
> > > >>  > > components:
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > >>  > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > It means:
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > >>  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces
> features.
> > > >>  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7
> DUE
> > > TO
> > > >>  > > OCTOBER
> > > >>  > > > > 10*.
> > > >>  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7
> version
> > > [1].
> > > >>  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder
> > #1,
> > > *the
> > > >>  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > [1]
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > >
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > >>  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > >>  > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > >>  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > >>  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > >>  > >
> > > >>  > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> > > >>  detection,
> > > >>  > > and
> > > >>  > > > > I'm
> > > >>  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have
> > trivial
> > > yet
> > > >>  > > > > important
> > > >>  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > >>  > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >>  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >>  > > >:
> > > >>  > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> > > discussion
> > > >>  > about
> > > >>  > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> > > things
> > > >>  > before
> > > >>  > > > > agreement
> > > >>  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> > > >>  > agreements'
> > > >>  > > > > here. BTW
> > > >>  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
> > > >>  principal
> > > >>  > > > > place where
> > > >>  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar
> decisions
> > > will
> > > >>  be
> > > >>  > > > > building on
> > > >>  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > >>  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > >>  > > > >:
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov
> > пишет:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a
> > > single
> > > >>  > > chance
> > > >>  > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are
> > still
> > > >>  > keeping
> > > >>  > > > hope
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
> > > >>  involving
> > > >>  > > > > consensus
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized
> > after
> > > >>  > initial
> > > >>  > > > > public
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> > > October
> > > >>  we
> > > >>  > > will
> > > >>  > > > > see it
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> > > regressions
> > > >>  > > with
> > > >>  > > > > other
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a
> > lot
> > > of
> > > >>  > > efforts
> > > >>  > > > > will be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > put
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole
> > purpose
> > > of
> > > >>  > that
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of
> Ignite
> > > >>  > internals
> > > >>  > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be
> > lost.
> > > >>  This
> > > >>  > is
> > > >>  > > > > simply a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us
> at
> > > rush.
> > > >>  > Rush
> > > >>  > > > > during
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> > > known -
> > > >>  bad
> > > >>  > > > > features,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to
> move
> > > it to
> > > >>  AI
> > > >>  > > 2.8
> > > >>  > > > > right
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being
> > ready.
> > > >>  This
> > > >>  > > > simple
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > action
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to
> quality
> > > of the
> > > >>  > > > > product, and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> > > >>  > > stabilization
> > > >>  > > > > effrots
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav
> Daradur
> > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> > > implemented
> > > >>  > in
> > > >>  > > > > phase 1,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1
> > > scope.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> > > completely
> > > >>  > rework
> > > >>  > > > > component
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and
> we
> > > build
> > > >>  > the
> > > >>  > > > > base for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> > Setrakyan <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> > includes:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take
> > about
> > > 1
> > > >>  > month
> > > >>  > > to
> > > >>  > > > > test
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment
> > > tests
> > > >>  and
> > > >>  > > > > restart
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > tests
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > on
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight
> > runs.
> > > If
> > > >>  > this
> > > >>  > > > > type of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > > >>  > unreasonable
> > > >>  > > to
> > > >>  > > > > expect
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > this
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy
> > Pavlov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er,
> but
> > > not a
> > > >>  > > > > commenter,
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > like
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > > >>  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> > > context.
> > > >>  In
> > > >>  > > > > general, I'm
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > > bunch of
> > > >>  > new
> > > >>  > > > > cool
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > > end of
> > > >>  > the
> > > >>  > > > > year with
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay
> > > Izhikov
> > > >>  <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many
> emotions
> > > in
> > > >>  > > > > discussion of
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG
> redesign.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about:
> > > Service
> > > >>  > Grid
> > > >>  > > > > redesign
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > big
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current
> > task
> > > >>  state:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and
> > aligned*
> > > >>  both:
> > > >>  > > > > privately
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > with
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> > Goncharyuk,
> > > >>  Anton
> > > >>  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is
> > > done.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> contribution
> > > and
> > > >>  gave
> > > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a
> day
> > or
> > > >>  two.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov
> > review
> > > on
> > > >>  the
> > > >>  > > > > beginning
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > next
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member
> wants
> > to
> > > >>  help
> > > >>  > > *by
> > > >>  > > > > doing
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> > > welcome.
> > > >>  PR
> > > >>  > is
> > > >>  > > > > here [1]
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> > exclusive
> > > >>  > options
> > > >>  > > > > regarding
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > > bunch of
> > > >>  > new
> > > >>  > > > > cool
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > > end of
> > > >>  > the
> > > >>  > > > > year with
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a
> lot
> > of
> > > >>  > things
> > > >>  > > > can
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG
> > release
> > > >>  > version
> > > >>  > > > > *when it
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > will
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy
> > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > пишет:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> > > thread you
> > > >>  > > > > mention was
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members
> > are
> > > >>  > trying
> > > >>  > > to
> > > >>  > > > > take
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community,
> I
> > > value
> > > >>  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > power
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There
> > are
> > > no
> > > >>  > > leaders
> > > >>  > > > > in open
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> > > Vyacheslav.
> > > >>  > For
> > > >>  > > > > me, their
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is
> ready
> > to
> > > >>  lead
> > > >>  > an
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > additional
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for
> > me.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> > > >>  > Setrakyan <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this
> > > thread
> > > >>  > that
> > > >>  > > > > Service
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because
> the
> > > >>  > community
> > > >>  > > > > still did
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since.
> I
> > > have
> > > >>  not
> > > >>  > > > seen
> > > >>  > > > > any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > design
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence
> > > that
> > > >>  the
> > > >>  > > > > Service Grid
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> > > release
> > > >>  > seems
> > > >>  > > > out
> > > >>  > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > question
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager.
> > We
> > > >>  should
> > > >>  > > let
> > > >>  > > > > him
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great
> job
> > > and
> > > >>  the
> > > >>  > > > > release is
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > going
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM
> > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense
> > with
> > > >>  > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with
> any
> > > >>  > > > > include/exclude
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > something
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole
> community
> > > >>  > disagreed.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> > > discussion
> > > >>  > > with
> > > >>  > > > > results
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > > contribution,
> > > >>  > even
> > > >>  > > > if
> > > >>  > > > > we
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > need
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple
> of
> > > days
> > > >>  > > more.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why
> dates
> > > are so
> > > >>  > > > > fundamentally
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20,
> > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which
> > it
> > > is
> > > >>  > not,
> > > >>  > > > > then we
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > should
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no
> > need
> > > to
> > > >>  > force
> > > >>  > > > > them into
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule
> we
> > > all
> > > >>  > > agreed
> > > >>  > > > > on.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM
> > > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
> > > >>  "community
> > > >>  > > did
> > > >>  > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > make
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/
> > services
> > > are
> > > >>  > out
> > > >>  > > of
> > > >>  > > > > scope".
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> > > >>  confusion.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
> > > >>  Vladimir
> > > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct
> statement
> > > is
> > > >>  “it
> > > >>  > is
> > > >>  > > > up
> > > >>  > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 11:11,
> > > >>  Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> > > community to
> > > >>  > > > discuss
> > > >>  > > > > after
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > their
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 11:09,
> > > >>  > > Vladimir
> > > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> > > correctly
> > > >>  > > that
> > > >>  > > > > it is up
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide
> whether
> > > >>  release
> > > >>  > > of
> > > >>  > > > > all
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > other
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 11:00,
> > > >>  > > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait
> a
> > > bit
> > > >>  for
> > > >>  > > > > services
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > because
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded
> > and
> > > we
> > > >>  > > don't
> > > >>  > > > > have
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > outside
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is
> > not
> > > >>  some
> > > >>  > > new
> > > >>  > > > > feature,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well
> > > known
> > > >>  and
> > > >>  > > > > important
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > > Vyacheslav,
> > > >>  > Anton
> > > >>  > > > and
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> > > services are
> > > >>  > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master
> and
> > to
> > > >>  2.7.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > 10:46,
> > > >>  > > > > Vladimir
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement
> > > was to
> > > >>  > > > perform
> > > >>  > > > > the
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> > > services.
> > > >>  Then
> > > >>  > > we
> > > >>  > > > > wait a
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > bit for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then
> > > again
> > > >>  and
> > > >>  > > > > again, and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are
> waiting
> > > for
> > > >>  new
> > > >>  > > > > features to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > come,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> > > anyone.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have
> > an
> > > >>  > > agreement
> > > >>  > > > > that if
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> > > release,
> > > >>  > > instead
> > > >>  > > > of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > shifting
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates
> > when
> > > >>  > > decisions
> > > >>  > > > > are made
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > is
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> 2018
> > at
> > > >>  2:22
> > > >>  > AM
> > > >>  > > > > Dmitriy
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not
> > > >>  > searching
> > > >>  > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > enemy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > and
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases
> > > when we
> > > >>  > are
> > > >>  > > > > hurrying.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix
> test,
> > > fill
> > > >>  > > ticket
> > > >>  > > > > details,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > can't
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their
> tasks.
> > > It
> > > >>  is
> > > >>  > > not
> > > >>  > > > > best
> > > >>  > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > idea
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open
> > > source.
> > > >>  > Are
> > > >>  > > > > there any
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised
> > > rest of
> > > >>  > > > > features to be
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > released
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember
> > > principle
> > > >>  > > > > do-orcracy,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > power of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and
> > > reviewer
> > > >>  > does
> > > >>  > > > > review,
> > > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > let's
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > give
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not
> to
> > > some
> > > >>  > > closed
> > > >>  > > > > club of
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > г.,
> > > >>  23:42
> > > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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