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From Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release
Date Mon, 01 Oct 2018 21:07:27 GMT
Thanks, got it.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to finalize
> all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
> contributors doing the same.
>
> пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:
>
> > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these tickets were
> > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope. I
> would
> > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> >
> > Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages (e.g.
> > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another big
> > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support, etc.). So
> > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped around
> > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be very
> good.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these
> > tickets
> > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets in
> 2.7
> > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
> > > components:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > >
> > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > > >
> > > > > It means:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO
> > > OCTOBER
> > > > > 10*.
> > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1].
> > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the
> > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> stkuzma@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> detection,
> > > and
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet
> > > > > important
> > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion
> > about
> > > > SG
> > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things
> > before
> > > > > agreement
> > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> > agreements'
> > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
> principal
> > > > > place where
> > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will
> be
> > > > > building on
> > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single
> > > chance
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still
> > keeping
> > > > hope
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
> involving
> > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after
> > initial
> > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October
> we
> > > will
> > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions
> > > with
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of
> > > efforts
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of
> > that
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite
> > internals
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost.
> This
> > is
> > > > > simply a
> > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush.
> > Rush
> > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known -
> bad
> > > > > features,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to
> AI
> > > 2.8
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready.
> This
> > > > simple
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the
> > > > > product, and
> > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> > > stabilization
> > > > > effrots
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented
> > in
> > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely
> > rework
> > > > > component
> > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build
> > the
> > > > > base for
> > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1
> > month
> > > to
> > > > > test
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests
> and
> > > > > restart
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If
> > this
> > > > > type of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > unreasonable
> > > to
> > > > > expect
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a
> > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context.
> In
> > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
> > new
> > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
> > the
> > > > > year with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in
> > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service
> > Grid
> > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task
> state:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned*
> both:
> > > > > privately
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk,
> Anton
> > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and
> gave
> > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or
> two.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on
> the
> > > > > beginning
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to
> help
> > > *by
> > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome.
> PR
> > is
> > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive
> > options
> > > > > regarding
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >         a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >         b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of
> > new
> > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of
> > the
> > > > > year with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of
> > things
> > > > can
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release
> > version
> > > > > *when it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > пишет:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you
> > > > > mention was
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value
> > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no
> > > leaders
> > > > > in open
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav.
> > For
> > > > > me, their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to
> lead
> > an
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread
> > that
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the
> > community
> > > > > still did
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have
> not
> > > > seen
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that
> the
> > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release
> > seems
> > > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We
> should
> > > let
> > > > > him
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and
> the
> > > > > release is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with
> > release
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community
> > disagreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion
> > > with
> > > > > results
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days
> > > more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so
> > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy
> > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is
> > not,
> > > > > then we
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to
> > force
> > > > > them into
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all
> > > agreed
> > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy
> > > > Pavlov
> > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
> "community
> > > did
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are
> > out
> > > of
> > > > > scope".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> confusion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
> Vladimir
> > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is
> “it
> > is
> > > > up
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11,
> Dmitriy
> > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to
> > > > discuss
> > > > > after
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09,
> > > Vladimir
> > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly
> > > that
> > > > > it is up
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether
> release
> > > of
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00,
> > > Dmitriy
> > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit
> for
> > > > > services
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we
> > > don't
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2  and services it is not
> some
> > > new
> > > > > feature,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known
> and
> > > > > important
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav,
> > Anton
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are
> > not
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to
> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46,
> > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to
> > > > perform
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services.
> Then
> > > we
> > > > > wait a
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > bit for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again
> and
> > > > > again, and
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for
> new
> > > > > features to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > come,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an
> > > agreement
> > > > > that if
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release,
> > > instead
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > shifting
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when
> > > decisions
> > > > > are made
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at
> 2:22
> > AM
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not
> > searching
> > > > for
> > > > > enemy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we
> > are
> > > > > hurrying.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill
> > > ticket
> > > > > details,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It
> is
> > > not
> > > > > best
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source.
> > Are
> > > > > there any
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of
> > > > > features to be
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > released
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle
> > > > > do-orcracy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > power of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer
> > does
> > > > > review,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > let's
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > give
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some
> > > closed
> > > > > club of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.,
> 23:42
> > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about
> > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > before [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure
> that
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > implementation is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in
> > 2.7,
> > > if
> > > > > we talk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > code
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not
> ready
> > > to
> > > > > merge
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that
> prereviewers
> > > > Anton
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if
> > solution
> > > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > scope or
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
> > > 11:14
> > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE
> > during
> > > > WAL
> > > > > flush
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the
> > > > > current test
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
> в
> > > > 21:45,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrey
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a
> > new
> > > > bug
> > > > > in WAL
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > manager
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough,
> and
> > > can
> > > > > be a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г.
> > в
> > > > > 19:45,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need
> > Vhyacheslav's
> > > > > opinion to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never
> committed
> > to
> > > > > dates of
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > release,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean
> 'the
> > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > committed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also
> > > > > concerned why
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on
> the
> > > > list.
> > > > > But it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> > г.
> > > в
> > > > > 19:33,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop
> > looking
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > enemies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for
> > > > > "service"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27,
> > > 2018
> > > > > at 7:30
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as
> PMC
> > > > > Chair,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> when
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > committers/contributors
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature
> > they've
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > working
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.
> > Otherwise,
> > > it
> > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > inundated.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree,
> >

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