From dev-return-39823-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@ignite.apache.org Fri Sep 28 10:09:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id E71AC180627 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:09:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3153 invoked by uid 500); 28 Sep 2018 08:09:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@ignite.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@ignite.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@ignite.apache.org Received: (qmail 3140 invoked by uid 99); 28 Sep 2018 08:09:50 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:09:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id C1554C82F0 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:09:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.311 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.311 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URI_HEX=1.313] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gridgain-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XEjszqQ1GGFo for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vk1-f179.google.com (mail-vk1-f179.google.com [209.85.221.179]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 16E925F1B3 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk1-f179.google.com with SMTP id s17-v6so1214197vke.10 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:09:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gridgain-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=piRFh3j5G13WY3q3UgkDSck0S/1teAQ+B+skYyk0fPM=; b=Zbo8MB7a90GZszpdkQxEnDk7wAtPN9ajsl1IZBknlqE0ZNJhdlcojc75m24iOlRKWW v/MgxF1WVsEOOnQcvUO+LhGrj+QhkBAr084dm6S8vib572plbSkKUqfX/B+e4BiSyfx7 YGcla8GhSfUyY1bLENbOlubNPZzA/FLL9crIzCHhA3N1/BNuA0S6Ehk1/9/7dyzDZIDY lSPN8nBGI/NzFkctmi8fhvocQtawhUDpl3AmJqRp0d/dh3kmaWsBWhA/L5EOeRPzuheZ sehQ7Gm11IERmPxMCZYAB429UzCNOR3LheO4Ia6UPSTD4IVDIqx1nAuxXhZFWCexYruF cwHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=piRFh3j5G13WY3q3UgkDSck0S/1teAQ+B+skYyk0fPM=; b=gnZBRC8TxuFAvMBrkxFA42Tb2Tq5szi/OhobPoXpH5jGxXD89JMWJ+WGsVM18LZp5k wj968YOOH7JINYb0GvOW0qE08tNJgICzZiOHia3Vvxg06kN1h5zZ8SxrKI8MD50Rfee8 xV729gHVJ0zXNVVFAWRnsPekKwaC7VtHeDR5imbS1OBQPc+gT1TyY0FqcbmnsFO4Re/S JxjwRQR6/R2qM5pRIlCb4TpgsrbWHrmbmGQ1i2lHuGIierMx1HVKVIrOTrgpDdD4jCwg UqlXqyBrAK+0WNeDNxp0HCOhFfh4uOcvHa966UV6a2IH5eYibmY2ensIj9bhXIqGYZGQ xC0w== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogD8U3PMd5gbNZYtU6zs+fyr0NJOBTyDps9dIz2zZj0CzS3VCmg Di/MaNRwhcSAvjMPrA9n9eOYDFR1h9qbXsk8JvB/L9H1VTw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62DTE0Mi216K6oFIAjG2F9w8OtVqFrepx6BBjx7zClclBdqDuONxUgbC91UK9ucLTxZX0ZZnQDXmYMTir+q7ds= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:a193:: with SMTP id k141-v6mr4867479vke.45.1538122186347; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:09:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <69d4fd793e7f8680a3e248658b3ca161131e8969.camel@gmail.com> <275005893.615706.1536032897519@mail.yahoo.com> <258170694.702110.1536057728946@mail.yahoo.com> <501405532.921769.1536213400079@mail.yahoo.com> <2143237922.2315546.1536461261471@mail.yahoo.com> <1020950433.3295913.1536634384580@mail.yahoo.com> <5630322c2402ebe7595c37a74114bd2f4d5fb577.camel@gmail.com> <625b649928454d85828575d6c4e41b22a9ba4f87.camel@gmail.com> <9a6ad1e6c6a02be89782ff3053631ba35646ded7.camel@gmail.com> <52c84e3d4ca65c6d1f1b4568dc6db8d4e3f93ab2.camel@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Vladimir Ozerov Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 11:09:35 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release To: dev@ignite.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000089e95d0576e9fa5e" --00000000000089e95d0576e9fa5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dmitriy, Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a single feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be delayed? =D0=BF=D1=82, 28 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:00, Dmitr= iy Pavlov : > My point we can wait a bit for services because > 1 we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release in > October > 2 and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in > autumn, it is a well known and important feature. > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide. > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to master/rea= dy > to merge to master and to 2.7. > > > =D0=BF=D1=82, 28 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 10:46, Vla= dimir Ozerov : > > > Dmitry, > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we > can > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features rea= dy > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd > features > > cannot be used by anyone. > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it shoul= d > be > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason t= o > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov > > wrote: > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you. I'= m > > not > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying. > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions = to > > > finish their tasks. It is not best idea to use experience from > > commercial > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community? D= id > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September? > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If > contribor > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making > decision > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss > > > something. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3., 23:42 Vyache= slav Daradur : > > > > > > > Hi Igniters! > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable. > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow the= n > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet. > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will = be > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days. > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-r= elease-td34076.html#a34485 > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit. > > > > > > > > > > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 21= :45, Andrey Kuznetsov >: > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It > > looks > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before > 2.7 > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731 > > > > > > > > > > > > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 = 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what statu= s > is > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quit= e > > > > understand > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing > > > something'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a > few > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0= =B2 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > vozerov@gridgain.com > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went throu= gh > > > this > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda < > dmagda@apache.org > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that > Service > > > Grid > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to t= he > > > > Apache > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private > > discussions > > > > > > related > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should g= o > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> dev > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated. However, agree, th= at > > > > > > > architectural > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where = I > > saw > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >> was > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the curre= nt > > > > status of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> service grid? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s= ) > > > > first. If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), > but > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement" > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of priva= te > > > > > > agreements, > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an > > agreement. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that > Service > > > Grid > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to t= he > > > > Apache > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. = =D0=B2 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy, > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - i= t > is > > > not > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > >> We > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try = to > > > > include > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? > > > > Probably I > > > > > > > >> missed > > > > > > > >> >> it. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 =D0= =B3. =D0=B2 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com > > > > > > > >> >: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out o= f > > > scope. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > >> is a > > > > > > > >> >> > huge > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, = We > > > will > > > > not > > > > > > be > > > > > > > >> >> able to > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > >> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilizatio= n* > > (1 > > > > Oct - > > > > > > 29 > > > > > > > >> Oct) > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is sti= ll > > in > > > > scope, > > > > > > > >> isn't > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018 = =D0=B3. =D0=B2 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > > >> nizhikov@apache.org > > > > > > > >> >> >: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > =D1=87=D1=82, 27 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82. 2018= =D0=B3., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov < > > > > > > > >> >> akuznetsov@apache.org > > > > > > > >> >> > >: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova, > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Andrey Kuznetsov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. > > > > > > > > > > --00000000000089e95d0576e9fa5e--