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From Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release
Date Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:22:01 GMT
Yes, so correct statement is "community did not make any decisions about
services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope".

If so, please forgive me my confusion.

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:

> Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to *community* to decide whether
> something goes to 2.7”.
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>:
>
> > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > > Dmitriy,
> > >
> > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a
> single
> > > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
> > > delayed?
> > >
> > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do
> release
> > in
> > > > October
> > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared
> in
> > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> > > >
> > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> > > >
> > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> > > master/ready
> > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > >
> > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of
> course
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features
> > > ready
> > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen.
> > And
> > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > > > features
> > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole
> reason
> > > to
> > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with
> you.
> > > I'm
> > > > > not
> > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for
> > contributions
> > > to
> > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > > > commercial
> > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside
> community?
> > > Did
> > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do.
If
> > > > contribor
> > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> > > > decision
> > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately
> > discuss
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > daradurvs@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing
> > the
> > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze
tomorrow
> > > then
> > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple
of
> > days.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a
blocker.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail
after
> > commit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov
<
> > > stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently,
see
> [1].
> > It
> > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate
for fixing
> > before
> > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy
Pavlov <
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely
sure what
> > > status
> > > > is
> > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release,
as well. I don't
> > > quite
> > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to
doing/releasing
> > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big
feature has
> > quite a
> > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another
story.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir
Ozerov <
> > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere.
Just went
> > > through
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis
Magda <
> > > > dmagda@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could
you please control, that
> > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed
properly according
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors
have private
> > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working
on. Not everything
> should
> > > go
> > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.
 However,
> agree,
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be
done publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there
was a discussion
> > where
> > > I
> > > > > saw
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added
to the release or
> > not.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed
some light on the
> > > current
> > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM
Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback
from SG
> > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought
it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some
discussion (it can
> > happen),
> > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement
"our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members
are making some sort of
> > > private
> > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the
list.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here
first, and then name an
> > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could
you please control, that
> > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed
properly according
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of
current state of Service
> Grid -
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have
it to 2.7. Our goal was to
> > try
> > > to
> > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please
provide a reference to some
> > thread?
> > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент.
2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current
agreement is that Service Grid is
> out
> > > of
> > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which
hasn't entered review stage so
> > far,
> > > We
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test
it properly.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep
27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree,
and I prefer four weeks for
> > > stabilization*
> > > > > (1
> > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand
it correctly: Service Grid is
> > > still
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it
very important.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27
сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay
> Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > >> nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello,
Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank
you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm
+1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт,
27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey
> Kuznetsov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
--
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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