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From Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release
Date Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:11:13 GMT
No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:

> Dmitriy,
>
> Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a single
> feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
> delayed?
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>:
>
> > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release in
> > October
> > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in
> > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> >
> > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> >
> > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> master/ready
> > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> >
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > > Dmitry,
> > >
> > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we
> > can
> > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features
> ready
> > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And
> > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > features
> > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > >
> > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> should
> > be
> > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason
> to
> > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you.
> I'm
> > > not
> > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > >
> > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions
> to
> > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > commercial
> > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community?
> Did
> > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > > >
> > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > contribor
> > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> > decision
> > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <daradurvs@gmail.com
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > >
> > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
> > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > >
> > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow
> then
> > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will
> be
> > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> stkuzma@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see
[1]. It
> > > looks
> > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing
before
> > 2.7
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure
what
> status
> > is
> > > > > now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I
don't
> quite
> > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > > > something'.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature
has quite a
> > few
> > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov
<
> > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just
went
> through
> > > > this
> > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > dmagda@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please
control, that
> > Service
> > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly
according to
> the
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have
private
> > > discussions
> > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything
should
> go
> > > > > through
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However,
agree,
> that
> > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a
discussion where
> I
> > > saw
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the
release or not.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light
on the
> current
> > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov
<
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost
done.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion
(it can happen),
> > but
> > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current
agreement"
> > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making
some sort of
> private
> > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and
then name an
> > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please
control, that
> > Service
> > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly
according to
> the
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55,
Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state
of Service Grid -
> it
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7.
Our goal was to try
> to
> > > > > include
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM
Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a
reference to some thread?
> > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.
в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement
is that Service Grid is out
> of
> > > > scope.
> > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't
entered review stage so far,
> We
> > > > will
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at
6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer
four weeks for
> stabilization*
> > > (1
> > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it
correctly: Service Grid is
> still
> > > in
> > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент.
2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > >> nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for
clear release status.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your
proposal.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент.
2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > > > >> >> akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1
to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey
Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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