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From Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release
Date Fri, 28 Sep 2018 07:46:28 GMT
Dmitry,

Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we can
wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features ready
by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And
while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd features
cannot be used by anyone.

This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it should be
moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason to
have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.



On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you. I'm not
> happy about cases when we are hurrying.
>
> We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions to
> finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from commercial
> companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community? Did
> someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
>
> Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If contribor
> does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making decision
> to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss
> something.
>
> Sincerely
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <daradurvs@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Igniters!
> >
> > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
> > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> >
> > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow then
> > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will be
> > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > >
> > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
> > >
> > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
> > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7
> > release.
> > > >
> > > > Do you agree?
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is
> > now.
> > > > >
> > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite
> > understand
> > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> something'.
> > > > >
> > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
> > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> vozerov@gridgain.com
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through
> this
> > > > thread
> > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
Service
> Grid
> > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according
to the
> > Apache
> > > > Way.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions
> > > > related
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should
go
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > >> dev
> > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree,
that
> > > > > architectural
> > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where
I saw
> > that
> > > > it
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current
> > status of
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > first. If
> > > > it
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen),
but
> > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
private
> > > > agreements,
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
agreement.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
Service
> Grid
> > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according
to the
> > Apache
> > > > Way.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov
<
> > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > >:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service
Grid - it is
> not
> > > > > ready.
> > > > > >> We
> > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was
to try to
> > include
> > > > it
> > > > > >> into
> > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov
<
> > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some
thread?
> > Probably I
> > > > > >> missed
> > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir
Ozerov <
> > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > >> >:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service
Grid is out of
> scope.
> > > > This
> > > > > >> is a
> > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review
stage so far, We
> will
> > not
> > > > be
> > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy
Pavlov <
> > > > > >> dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks
for stabilization* (1
> > Oct -
> > > > 29
> > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service
Grid is still in
> > scope,
> > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28,
Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > >> nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release
status.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г.,
18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > >> >> akuznetsov@apache.org
> > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> >
>

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