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From Petr Ivanov <mr.wei...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Apache Ignite 2.5.0 Release (RC1)
Date Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:04:54 GMT
Dmitriy,


I’ve added requested information (see [1]).
Can you check that this information is enough, please?


[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8671?focusedCommentId=16500123&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16500123




> On 3 Jun 2018, at 10:24, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> I think what is really missing is the installation structure, i.e. where is
> the bin, config, lib, work folders. Is IGNITE_HOME pointing somewhere as a
> result of the installation? I think, if you explain it to users, there will
> be more understanding from the user stand point.
> 
> Can you please add that?
> 
> D.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Petr Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dmitriy,
>> 
>> 
>> I've added warning snippet in the bottom of the Alternative Installation
>> Options section with reference on how to start Apache Ignite installed from
>> RPM or DEB packages as standalone Java application (see [1]).
>> Hope it will be enough.
>> 
>> 
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8671?
>> focusedCommentId=16499157&page=com.atlassian.jira.
>> plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16499157
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2018, at 21:57, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> 
>>> We cannot have a distribution that works sometimes.
>>> 
>>> I think you should read the ticket carefully. I don't beleive we need to
>>> make any changes to the release, it is a matter of fixing the
>>> documentation.
>>> 
>>> Can you confirm this?
>>> 
>>> D.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2018 11:44, "Peter Ivanov" <mr.weider@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dmitriy,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You suggest removing fully working under corresponding Linux distributive
>>> RPM and DEB packages entirely from apache.org/dist/ignite only because
>> they
>>> do not work in highly unlikely scenario (Windows 10 WSL) as service?
>>> 
>>> I will certainly add reference about running Apache Ignite from the
>>> packages as standalone Java application (with corresponding permissions
>>> note) but I’d like to hear community opinion on the whole matter -
>>> everything that was done, was done with review and approve from lots of
>>> Apache Ignite commiters and PMCs, including PMC chair.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 at 16:12, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> I have reopened this ticket:
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8671
>>>> 
>>>> I changed the priority to blocker. At this point I suggest the
>> following:
>>>> - we either remove the DEB and RPM packages from the website and readme
>>>> - or we fix this issue ASAP as stated in the ticket.
>>>> 
>>>> I will leave it up to you to decide.
>>>> 
>>>> D.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:31 PM, Peter Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dmitriy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> SystemD supports running multiple instances of one service – this is
>> done
>>>>> through @-like syntax: 'sudo systemctl start apache-ignite@
>> <configuration
>>>>> file name>', so that with every unique command string there will be
>>>>> started
>>>>> / stopped unique instance of Apache Ignite. And all instances can be
>>>>> restarted / stopped / enabled on boot / etc. simultaneously through
>> 'sudo
>>>>> systemctl <command> apache-ignite@*'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still, I can add a note about possibility of starting Apache Ignite
>>>>> manually through ignite.sh with a reference to corresponding
>>> documentation
>>>>> section, information where to look for the root of Apache Ignite
>>>>> installation and how to correctly start Apache Ignite in terms of
>>>>> permissions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> File the documentation updates ticket?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 at 01:10, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Petr,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Most of the users will download and install Ignite so they can develop
>>>>> with
>>>>>> it. This means that they will be starting more than one node, which
is
>>>>>> impossible if Ignite is a service. We should provide instructions
to
>> do
>>>>>> both.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> D.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Peter Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dmitriy,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Current packages design (both RPM and DEB) was reviewed and approved
>>>>> by
>>>>>>> community. I do not quite remember why service-based startup
was
>>>>> chosen
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> it seems rather logical and Unix-compliant – under Linux almost
every
>>>>>>> service software is packed this way, which gives some benefits
like
>>>>>> service
>>>>>>> autostart on reboot, centralized running nodes management (through
>>>>>>> systemctl), etc. There is no point in packing binary into Linux
>>>>> packages
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> it then will be used as standalone executable.
>>>>>>> Yet, current design does not limit advanced user from running
Apache
>>>>>> Ignite
>>>>>>> as standalone process – executing
>>>>> /usr/share/apache-ignite/bin/ignite.sh
>>>>>>> with parameters will start Apache Ignite node as if it was delivered
>>>>> by
>>>>>>> binary archive.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 at 20:43, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Petr,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why do we even suggest starting Ignite as a service? Why
not just
>>>>> start
>>>>>>>> Ignite instance as a stand-alone process? This should work,
no?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> D.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Petr Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, it seems to be impossible (at least for
now) —
>>> [1].
>>>>>>>>> So we can say that current package design is for native
Linux
>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8671?
>>>>>>>>> focusedCommentId=16496813&page=com.atlassian.jira.
>>>>>>>>> plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16496813
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 31 May 2018, at 18:22, Petr Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Filed https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8671
<
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8671>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31 May 2018, at 17:56, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:dsetrakyan@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Petr Ivanov
<
>>>>> mr.weider@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mr.weider@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll start the investigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please file a ticket so we can track
it?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 


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