Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAF200D3B for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:29:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 6ABD3160BF3; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 934F8160BF4 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 16:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 33684 invoked by uid 500); 26 Oct 2017 14:29:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@ignite.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@ignite.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@ignite.apache.org Received: (qmail 33302 invoked by uid 99); 26 Oct 2017 14:29:07 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id A90F31A1780 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.48 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.48 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gridgain-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jieBdgHBn9VZ for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ua0-f177.google.com (mail-ua0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 88E0B5FD8B for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua0-f177.google.com with SMTP id z4so2597256uaz.5 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gridgain-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hMaxGl5dOr6D8aDnM9dmIp8IJdFRON+z9jX1sMH2lTU=; b=JjcO8r4+Qp6mF8YYiVGak3cpQXPprQrMNXcxU4vFA7nB/aLwgBXC6uJeEco/rahkTn E/ps2Zjcd2O9joysCdKIZuB77li9LBVTuICY3PS44AwVbzOQ+OHBnRqIbj8sppzZARPu VcW/ftJFDwAnzhNYEKka3UcrgLhNgpSrxViHK0b8vatzNwxLBp2OhHToejmeWCTYjuTa 1jkokuvMfWGLitDlVOvWhv2TPhJtARGtOUE24qV+C7Um1ViJH1oai9Hh/MT/47SXsHce 0viaIsStot6+OtJhAsUq1RsRuyhzAz7fPlZ9xaszNefb5ksY1ggGHE0Sd2v70GeG/x7e b+yg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hMaxGl5dOr6D8aDnM9dmIp8IJdFRON+z9jX1sMH2lTU=; b=guS3RtU/Mugi+FDaliLOEw/FQdCpWP/MKCbaP/MWyJZkRKyI9y+RnMWaFFAh9xOYum AucNBoHXrYWLeQgvH/TlTO7vxcowrDZJfVmjwRPxRRGzHSf4ufLkgBBzYOK0QVBqbTEC pN4AB0IMFzvLXh5KLrs+ZAnS4awWA829eYTzbyr2ay7Adq4WtVtzWGJY6lNZBa7y6+cE 9XG2OM2Jrsw1u33Bmo2+NrhX/gQV6L2+o4f4e05E+7KRdMJr8UchLq7S9o8wKlC49EtU lz9qZN+Hb29VfwG30W8y71J8V6lOxIyGwXPS9tQecgubbTNkKjKbTcWKNhdLUt4+9Cas k1iQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXJ9GtCXAyKXNrFfG86mQR4BVMWMq/XOoh0ANAABcnnU//XGSHk 4+Sof5Q1e8V5Q2W4tCu3yg3b+jttLk4LoV0d83QBCHag X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+S6TaCpxUVOFKjd+NYg2/sbAiNV6iFjc/wmuBMNXGZ9sWEA6R/6VNDPg3LqVJ+vbBQqU/iP2qizwvyD3pBQwf8= X-Received: by 10.159.50.112 with SMTP id y45mr4716470uad.166.1509028143980; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.68.225 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8da2dfcd-dbc6-512f-1a07-e63959b6c049@ya.ru> From: Vladimir Ozerov Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 17:29:03 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Set gitter aside To: dev@ignite.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11456ed67a8b1e055c73fef7" archived-at: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:09 -0000 --001a11456ed67a8b1e055c73fef7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Correction: "I do *NOT* think it is good idea to remove this channel completely." On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Vladimir Ozerov wrote: > Konstantin, > > I do think it is good idea to remove this channel completely. It is true, > that Gitter is not very convenient instrument. But it is very easy to use > from user perspective, especially for ad hoc questions and chatting about > the product. SO is not appropriate for this due to aggressive moderators, > and user list is not appropriate either because it requires subscription > which user might want to avoid (spam in emails). > > May be it makes sense to change the instrument, not remove it. E.g. move > to Slack. > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Konstantin Dudkov wrote: > >> Igniters, >> >> Last months there are a lot of questions in userlist and gitter and >> answering that questions I found gitter completely inappropriate for user >> support: >> >> - there are no threads there, so it's hard to track discussion or see >> unanswered questions >> - when somebody post stacktrace or code snippet all message list scrolls >> far up, hiding previous messages >> - many questions that need more than simple answer or some kind of >> discussion are moved to anyway >> - using gitter people are waiting for fast answer, that is not always >> possible (timezones, etc.) >> >> I think it is better to remove link to gitter from all our sites/manuals >> and to focus on answering in userlist and StackOverflow only. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -- >> Regards, Konstantin. >> > > --001a11456ed67a8b1e055c73fef7--