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From Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Downloads on the web site
Date Fri, 04 Nov 2016 16:00:41 GMT
Cos, this link is wrong.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:14 AM, Konstantin I Boudnik <cos@apache.org> wrote:

> This blog post from DataStax [1] has reminded me of the conversation we
> had during the incubation on how to model community web-sites and how
> "Planet Cassandra" is doing this. Evidently, after years of the
> explanations and the deliberations, DataStax had finally came to their
> senses and stopped this violation of the Apache Cassandra trademark once
> and for all.
>
> [1] https://is.gd/DBrGHB
>
> Cos
>
> On 2015-03-13 03:54 (+0300), Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Henry, Brane,
> >
> > I completely see your points and agree. I actually finally had some time
> > today to look into this and will be removing the link shortly. However,
> > although I want to comply with ASF rules, I truly believe that having a
> > downloadable binary at all times increases usability and popularity of
> the
> > project.
> >
> > With that in mind, I have asked GridGain to host the download link of
> > Apache Ignite community edition in the mean time, granted that it will be
> > made clear to the users and the community that it is not an official
> Apache
> > release. This approach is also taken by Datastax with their
> planetcassandra
> > portal, http://planetcassandra.org/try-cassandra/, perhaps for similar
> > reasons. Once we have a legitimate release candidate, we will revert back
> > to the normal download process.
> >
> > I should be able to set this up within a couple of days.
> >
> > D.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. Please do remove the RC1 download links.
> > >
> > > The main reasons of any project need to be in incubator when joining
> > > ASF is to make sure that the community know how to develop in the
> > > Apache way.
> > >
> > > I am hoping that you do not guess or believe that things should work
> > > as you think it is.
> > >
> > > ALL initial committers please read and understand how to release
> > > documentation [1] and document about being ASF committer [2]
> > >
> > > What we are expecting from the new PPMCs are please try to understand
> > > how ASF work and do not just do things based what you already knew.
> > > When in doubt you can look at Apache websites or ask mentors in dev@
> > > list or even go to incubator general@ list.
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html
> > > [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Branko ─îibej <brane@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > On 10.03.2015 22:17, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > > >> Brane,
> > > >>
> > > >> The RC1 was a legitimate Ignite release candidate as it was
> submitted
> > > for a
> > > >> vote. Please let us know if there are certain documented guidelines
> here
> > > >> that we are not aware of.
> > > >
> > > > It's all documented here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> > > >
> > > > Specifically, this is written *in bold* on that page:
> > > >
> > > >     Do not include any links on the project website that might
> encourage
> > > >     non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots,
> > > >     release candidates, or any other similar package.
> > > >
> > > > It is fine to call a specific package a "release candidate" and even
> > > > publish is as an ASF release under that name, but in the case of
> > > > Ignite's RC1 and RC2, these are /not/ official releases because they
> > > > have not been approved as such by the PPMC and IPMC.
> > > >
> > > >> Moreover, this RC1 zip archive provides users with the ability to
> kick
> > > the
> > > >> tires with Apache Ignite ahead of time, before the official 1.0
> release
> > > is
> > > >> out. I am not sure how removing it serves either community or user
> base
> > > of
> > > >> the Ignite project.
> > > >
> > > > Then tell people how to fetch a tag or specific commit from the git
> > > > repository, or simply how to clone a read-only (possibly shallow)
> copy.
> > > > It definitely doesn't serve the Ignite community or user base to post
> > > > confusing links to the web site.//
> > > >
> > > >> As a side note, we already have addressed all RC2 issues and are a
> > > couple
> > > >> of days away from sending out RC3 for a vote, which will most likely
> > > become
> > > >> an official Apache Ignite 1.0 release. It will be easier to just
> switch
> > > one
> > > >> zip archive with another when that happens.
> > > >
> > > > You must realize that our release policy is not arbitrary and is
> driven
> > > > by legal requirements. Even if RC3 is perfect, it will take at least
> a
> > > > week to approve (vote on dev@ must run at least 72 hours, and the
> same
> > > > again for the IPMC vote), so that's an extra week of confusing users
> and
> > > > violating ASF policies. Please remove the download link because I
> really
> > > > don't want to do that myself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > While we're on the topic of RC3, I've been trying to send my
> comments on
> > > > RC2 twice to this list in the last couple days, but apparently they
> > > > haven't come through ... I'll try again, hope for the best.
> > > >
> > > > -- Brane
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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