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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: EA versioning
Date Mon, 07 Dec 2015 04:23:58 GMT
Oh, and not to say - JIRA would have to have a corresponding versions. Say
right now I see only 1.5 in JIRA and it has 161 unresolved bugs. However, the
-b1 release is already voted for and is almost official.

Cos

On Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 03:11PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 11:30AM, Sergi Vladykin wrote:
> > Cos and Brane,
> > 
> > This issue arised not from our feeling of beautiful, but from practical
> > reasons,
> > namely we need to conform existing Maven and OSGi version models at the
> > same time.
> > 
> > We did not invent Maven or OSGi, but if we want to play with them well,
> > we have to keep in mind their own quirks and bad design decisions,
> > when choosing how our versions will look like.
> 
> Very true. However, both Maven and OSGi are supporting normal semver schema,
> so the argument doesn't apply ;)
> 
> > Cos,
> > 
> > JDK and Linux kernel are bad examples here exactly because
> > they were free to choose any good or bad versioning they want,
> > we are not that free.
> 
> We are free to stick to simver and don't make convoluted choices, that will
> confuse the hell out of the users. I am seen 1.5.0-b1 getting released and I
> already have no idea if it is better than 1.5.0 or worst. If the latter -
> where's 1.5.0 then?
> 
> > Could you please clarify what exactly happened with HBase?
> > And why do you think we will have the same problems?
> 
> Hbase used to have 0.98.16.1-hadoop2 and 0.98.16.1-hadoop1 classifiers to
> distinguish between different versions of HDFS base. Considering that maven
> classifiers are designed to differentiate between _types_ of artifacts, not
> the platforms, hooking up to the hbase artifacts from different dependency
> management systems were a royal PITA.
> 
> We'll have the same problem exactly because these are arbitrary choices and have
> no similarities with anything else out there. The most effective engineering
> principal is KISS: anything that goes against it will have a higher friction
> with the users. Meaning more disoriented emails on the user@ list, more
> frustration and incorrectly filed bug reports, reflecting in a lower
> traction with future contributors.
>  
> Cheers,
>   Cos
> 
> > 2015-12-06 4:24 GMT+03:00 Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 07:18PM, Raul Kripalani wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Raul, as an OSGI expert, do you confirm?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yep, it was my proposal only to add "-final". Just to be clear, this is
a
> > > > Maven qualifier. The maven-bundle-plugin will translate the hyphen to
a
> > > > dot, for compatibility with OSGi.
> > >
> > > For the die-hard fans of "-lksfdiuye" classifiers in Maven artifacts, I'd
> > > suggest to check how well it has played for HBase. Hadoop been there as
> > > well -
> > > they still are fighting the consequences of once thought to be a neat
> > > "-alpha"
> > > idea. Seriously guys, this is gonna be mess, confusing the hell out of
> > > everybody.
> > >
> > > Cos
> > >
> > > > *Raúl Kripalani*
> > > > PMC & Committer @ Apache Ignite, Apache Camel | Integration, Big Data
and
> > > > Messaging Engineer
> > > > http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
> > > > http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk
> > >



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