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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Downloads on the web site
Date Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:20:42 GMT
I think it should do in the meanwhile. Still would be great to have a simple
DEVNOTES where ppl can learn how to build binaries from git. Then all you'd
need to do is to give them a tag for an RC or else.

Cos

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 05:54PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> Henry, Brane,
> 
> I completely see your points and agree. I actually finally had some time
> today to look into this and will be removing the link shortly. However,
> although I want to comply with ASF rules, I truly believe that having a
> downloadable binary at all times increases usability and popularity of the
> project.
> 
> With that in mind, I have asked GridGain to host the download link of
> Apache Ignite community edition in the mean time, granted that it will be
> made clear to the users and the community that it is not an official Apache
> release. This approach is also taken by Datastax with their planetcassandra
> portal, http://planetcassandra.org/try-cassandra/, perhaps for similar
> reasons. Once we have a legitimate release candidate, we will revert back
> to the normal download process.
> 
> I should be able to set this up within a couple of days.
> 
> D.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I agree. Please do remove the RC1 download links.
> >
> > The main reasons of any project need to be in incubator when joining
> > ASF is to make sure that the community know how to develop in the
> > Apache way.
> >
> > I am hoping that you do not guess or believe that things should work
> > as you think it is.
> >
> > ALL initial committers please read and understand how to release
> > documentation [1] and document about being ASF committer [2]
> >
> > What we are expecting from the new PPMCs are please try to understand
> > how ASF work and do not just do things based what you already knew.
> > When in doubt you can look at Apache websites or ask mentors in dev@
> > list or even go to incubator general@ list.
> >
> > [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html
> > [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Branko ─îibej <brane@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On 10.03.2015 22:17, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote:
> > >> Brane,
> > >>
> > >> The RC1 was a legitimate Ignite release candidate as it was submitted
> > for a
> > >> vote. Please let us know if there are certain documented guidelines here
> > >> that we are not aware of.
> > >
> > > It's all documented here:
> > >
> > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> > >
> > > Specifically, this is written *in bold* on that page:
> > >
> > >     Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage
> > >     non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots,
> > >     release candidates, or any other similar package.
> > >
> > > It is fine to call a specific package a "release candidate" and even
> > > publish is as an ASF release under that name, but in the case of
> > > Ignite's RC1 and RC2, these are /not/ official releases because they
> > > have not been approved as such by the PPMC and IPMC.
> > >
> > >> Moreover, this RC1 zip archive provides users with the ability to kick
> > the
> > >> tires with Apache Ignite ahead of time, before the official 1.0 release
> > is
> > >> out. I am not sure how removing it serves either community or user base
> > of
> > >> the Ignite project.
> > >
> > > Then tell people how to fetch a tag or specific commit from the git
> > > repository, or simply how to clone a read-only (possibly shallow) copy.
> > > It definitely doesn't serve the Ignite community or user base to post
> > > confusing links to the web site.//
> > >
> > >> As a side note, we already have addressed all RC2 issues and are a
> > couple
> > >> of days away from sending out RC3 for a vote, which will most likely
> > become
> > >> an official Apache Ignite 1.0 release. It will be easier to just switch
> > one
> > >> zip archive with another when that happens.
> > >
> > > You must realize that our release policy is not arbitrary and is driven
> > > by legal requirements. Even if RC3 is perfect, it will take at least a
> > > week to approve (vote on dev@ must run at least 72 hours, and the same
> > > again for the IPMC vote), so that's an extra week of confusing users and
> > > violating ASF policies. Please remove the download link because I really
> > > don't want to do that myself.
> > >
> > >
> > > While we're on the topic of RC3, I've been trying to send my comments on
> > > RC2 twice to this list in the last couple days, but apparently they
> > > haven't come through ... I'll try again, hope for the best.
> > >
> > > -- Brane
> > >
> >

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