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From: Clinton Begin <clinton.begin@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:14:26 -0600
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I agree, EJB 3 looks very good.  But my point was that the first two
iterations of the spec didn't help.  And if anything, the non-spec driven
Spring framework drove EJB 3 to be what it is today.

Clinton

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1@burntmail.com>wrote:

> On 4/7/2010 9:50 AM, Clinton Begin wrote:
>
>>
>> This is what has killed J2EE vs. the alternatives.  Look at the history:
>>
>
> Not to start a flame war, but ...
>
>
>
>> * CMP - Spec.  Dead, along with all implementations.
>>
>> * EJB - Spec.  Dead.  Spring killed it -- not a spec.
>>
>
> EJB3 is very much alive.  The spec people learned from experience; EJB3
> uses straight POJOs.  Spring tries to be all things, and doesn't really do
> any of them exceptionally well.  I don't use it because of its massive
> footprint.  Sure, you can use subcomponents in isolation, if you can figure
> out how to decompose it.  But I prefer targeted tools that do one thing very
> well.  Hence, my attraction to iBATIS.
>
>
>
>> * JDO - Spec.  Dead, along with all implementations.
>>
>> * JSF - DOA.  Bad idea to begin with, and has failed to unify client
>> side Java.  Struts, GWT, Wickett, Stripes, ZK, Tapestry, etc.  all still
>> exist -- and are more popular than JSF -- all without a spec.
>>
>
> JSF use is increasing, not decreasing.  My company has committed to it for
> several major projects in the last 6 months alone.  We've also used GWT for
> other projects.  JSF is more of a server-based technology than a client
> technology, and different applications may need one approach or the other.
>  I'm sure each of the tools you list has pluses and minuses; I haven't used
> them all.  Struts I think has seen its day, and usage is declining in favor
> of newer approaches.
>
> --
> Guy Rouillier
>
> --
> Guy Rouillier
>
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I agree, EJB 3 looks very good.=A0 But my point was that the first two iter=
ations of the spec didn&#39;t help.=A0 And if anything, the non-spec driven=
 Spring framework drove EJB 3 to be what it is today.<br><br>Clinton<br><br=
>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Guy Rouillier <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:guyr-ml1@burntmail.com">guyr-ml1@bur=
ntmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); p=
adding-left: 1ex;">

<div class=3D"im">On 4/7/2010 9:50 AM, Clinton Begin wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
This is what has killed J2EE vs. the alternatives. =A0Look at the history:<=
br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Not to start a flame war, but ...<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
* CMP - Spec. =A0Dead, along with all implementations.<br>
<br>
* EJB - Spec. =A0Dead. =A0Spring killed it -- not a spec.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
EJB3 is very much alive. =A0The spec people learned from experience; EJB3 u=
ses straight POJOs. =A0Spring tries to be all things, and doesn&#39;t reall=
y do any of them exceptionally well. =A0I don&#39;t use it because of its m=
assive footprint. =A0Sure, you can use subcomponents in isolation, if you c=
an figure out how to decompose it. =A0But I prefer targeted tools that do o=
ne thing very well. =A0Hence, my attraction to iBATIS.<div class=3D"im">

<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
* JDO - Spec. =A0Dead, along with all implementations.<br>
<br>
* JSF - DOA. =A0Bad idea to begin with, and has failed to unify client<br>
side Java. =A0Struts, GWT, Wickett, Stripes, ZK, Tapestry, etc. =A0all stil=
l<br>
exist -- and are more popular than JSF -- all without a spec.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
JSF use is increasing, not decreasing. =A0My company has committed to it fo=
r several major projects in the last 6 months alone. =A0We&#39;ve also used=
 GWT for other projects. =A0JSF is more of a server-based technology than a=
 client technology, and different applications may need one approach or the=
 other. =A0I&#39;m sure each of the tools you list has pluses and minuses; =
I haven&#39;t used them all. =A0Struts I think has seen its day, and usage =
is declining in favor of newer approaches.<br>


<br>
-- <br>
Guy Rouillier<br>
<br>
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Guy Rouillier</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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