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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:55:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Ron Chan <rchan@i-tao.com>
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Subject: Re: ibatis v hibernate
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Thank you all for some great feedback.  Especially the 2 for 1 deal from
Clinton - an ORM discussion and a history lesson :)

However, I'm still in search of "answers" - maybe it's because I'm not sure
what it is I'm asking for, kind of like the answer to the ultimate question
;)

I have tried Hibernate, many prototypes and tests, and one live app which we
have supported and extended for over 2 years.  It has been an uphill
struggle.  Although a lot the struggle was more down to moving from a
"procedural with lots of SQL" mindset to a more OO paradigm, and much of
what I have learnt thru doing it with hibernate would probably be applicable
to getting more out of something like ibatis.

I came across ibatis ~3 months ago, no learning curve at all and we have
successfully delivered one small app already.

What I'm looking for I guess, is positive affirmation that ditching all the
hibernate hard work (not to mention many expensive books) and going down the
ibatis path is the right route.  

It feels right, but still, I like to hear from other people with good
experiences - would be really good if you can give brief description of what
the problem was you were trying to solve or what the app was delivering. 
Rather than a like for like matrix type comparison, real "war stories with
battle scars" would make it much more meaningful.

Thanks
Ron


Clinton Begin wrote:
> 
> The problem with pros and cons is that they change almost on a per project
> basis.
> 
> I'd suggest just adding the above comments to the "Feedback and
> experiences"
> section of the wiki page.
> 
> Cheers,
> Clinton
> 
> 
> On 12/18/06, Eric T. Blue <ericblue76@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> IMHO, I think Larry and Nathan are both partially right.  I believe it's
>> safe to say that discussions on the topic of persistence frameworks in
>> Java
>> are sometimes as intense as political or religious debates ;) 
>> Personally, I
>> think a high-level breakdown of the differences between frameworks would
>> be
>> good.  Even having a feature matrix that compares against some other
>> frameworks would be helpful for people that are in the process of
>> evaluating
>> different solutions.
>>
>> Per Nathan's suggestion, I think it would be good to list some pros and
>> cons of different approaches.  And, I would be careful how one product is
>> categorized as better than the other.   Obviously, what's best is often
>> subjective, so there should ideally be some specific benchmarks ( e.g.
>> solution A's response time is faster than solution B w/ X concurrent
>> users).
>>
>> On 12/18/06, Nathan Maves < nathan.maves@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > How about a more general description of the differences and usage.
>> >
>> > BTW there is nothing wrong with stating reasons why our product is
>> > better then others at specific tasks.
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >
>> > On 12/18/06, Larry Meadors <lmeadors@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Heh, that it would probably be considered "flame-bait'.
>> > >
>> > > Larry
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 12/18/06, Nathan Maves < nathan.maves@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > These are all great success stories.  Coming from someone who has
>> > > never
>> > > > tried Hibernate I love reading these.  What are some thought about
>> > > putting
>> > > > together a page about IBATIS vs ORM (Hibernate)?
>> > > >
>> > > > Nathan
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
> 
> 

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