Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-ibatis-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 54047 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 14:08:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 14:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5263 invoked by uid 500); 4 Oct 2006 14:07:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ibatis-dev-archive@ibatis.apache.org Received: (qmail 5244 invoked by uid 500); 4 Oct 2006 14:07:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@ibatis.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@ibatis.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@ibatis.apache.org Received: (qmail 5225 invoked by uid 99); 4 Oct 2006 14:07:59 -0000 Received: from idunn.apache.osuosl.org (HELO idunn.apache.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.84) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:07:59 -0700 Authentication-Results: idunn.apache.osuosl.org header.from=brandon.goodin@gmail.com; domainkeys=good X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,HTML_MESSAGE DomainKey-Status: good X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 Received: from [66.249.82.238] ([66.249.82.238:44124] helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) by idunn.apache.osuosl.org (ecelerity 2.1.1.8 r(12930)) with ESMTP id 0B/66-00170-7DFB3254 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:06:43 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so193393wxd for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:05:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WIa41TVk7ijYc4RX8VzJn8BNkMwzvIIIqXkQbyk3tR5F/B7F1g8AgLg8iUmI/dPrbtfakvJJhnDgWCwwMNGM7fL3pu+VRa76Ly+4rwE4LSHuzSRXiYLQz1+pp2o6/xQCgyW4yBoVhOIw/c1QO11CmV4T44HqiElBcL3Lj73y7qo= Received: by 10.70.52.1 with SMTP id z1mr1055731wxz; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.6 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2fe5ef5b0610040705r30cfcb92i48489ad4001800ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:05:27 -0600 From: "Brandon Goodin" To: dev@ibatis.apache.org, lmeadors@apache.org Subject: Re: New iBATIS Documentation Format In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85481_1741375.1159970727932" References: <16178eb10610021744x7101cccr4dc671ccc2033be0@mail.gmail.com> <8b3ce3790610031805i72ffe889j2aee34822856157d@mail.gmail.com> <16178eb10610031939m70e15ad1r28ed5bb6bfefdbad@mail.gmail.com> <8b3ce3790610040537v67af648bj106206a2eba3ee88@mail.gmail.com> <8b3ce3790610040602ha5c87a0t5248711daae65d92@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_Part_85481_1741375.1159970727932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline personally, I would rather use my IDE which already does XML editing according to a schema and tells me when i'm doing something goofy. Also, the docbook is a base markup and not a final product. So, in the end it only servers to be transformed into something useful. So, I already have a set of tools that i use to do all that. I have an xml editor, xslt plugin, and xpath plugin. That's really all i should need. Am i missing something? Brandon On 10/4/06, Larry Meadors wrote: > > Heheh, is this the politically correct way to say "they both suck"? ;-) > > IMO, the dissonance is because they are trying to accomplish two very > different things: > > XXE is an XML editor, not a word processor. It's goal is to make the > document structure correct. > > OO Writer is a general purpose word processor that is intended to > replace Word, and it happens to have a docbook writer bolted on. > > When I first used XXE, I found it to be really cumbersome, too...just > like the first time I used a real Java IDE. It tries to make sure you > don't screw stuff up (structurally), so you can't do whatever you want > wherever you want to - it forces you to play by the docbook rules. > It's a pain, but once you get used to it, it'll be like the difference > between using an IDE and notepad for editing Java source. With > notepad, you can put anything anywhere, right or wrong, but it's not > cumbersome at all. ;-) > > Larry > > > On 10/4/06, Ted Husted wrote: > > On 10/4/06, Ted Husted wrote: > > > I'll try it again, but the last time I used XXE, I found it cumbersome > > > and distracting. OO is at least unobstrusive. > > > > I flipped back and forth between them for a while, and found each to > > be inadequate in different ways. I continued to be amazed at the lack > > of adequate tools for collaborating on technical documentation. > > > > -Ted. > ------=_Part_85481_1741375.1159970727932 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline personally, I would rather use my IDE which already does XML editing according to a schema and tells me when i'm doing something goofy. Also, the docbook is a base markup and not a final product. So, in the end it only servers to be transformed into something useful. So, I already have a set of tools that i use to do all that. I have an xml editor, xslt plugin, and xpath plugin. That's really all i should need. Am i missing something?

Brandon

On 10/4/06, Larry Meadors <lmeadors@apache.org> wrote:
Heheh, is this the politically correct way to say "they both suck"? ;-)

IMO, the dissonance is because they are trying to accomplish two very
different things:

XXE is an XML editor, not a word processor. It's goal is to make the
document structure correct.

OO Writer is a general purpose word processor that is intended to
replace Word, and it happens to have a docbook writer bolted on.

When I first used XXE, I found it to be really cumbersome, too...just
like the first time I used a real Java IDE. It tries to make sure you
don't screw stuff up (structurally), so you can't do whatever you want
wherever you want to - it forces you to play by the docbook rules.
It's a pain, but once you get used to it, it'll be like the difference
between using an IDE and notepad for editing Java source. With
notepad, you can put anything anywhere, right or wrong, but it's not
cumbersome at all. ;-)

Larry


On 10/4/06, Ted Husted <husted@apache.org> wrote:
> On 10/4/06, Ted Husted <husted@apache.org> wrote:
> > I'll try it again, but the last time I used XXE, I found it cumbersome
> > and distracting. OO is at least unobstrusive.
>
> I flipped back and forth between them for a while, and found each to
> be inadequate in different ways. I continued to be amazed at the lack
> of  adequate tools for collaborating on technical documentation.
>
> -Ted.

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