Mailing-List: contact users-help@httpd.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: users@httpd.apache.org
To: users@httpd.apache.org
References: <d4483e70-a831-fd3e-b231-46b59c211092@nottheoilrig.com>
 <CALK=YjOBCjUqpY+W0hYkyq2Z_rGJQ9u8h+CX5T4x63yThH36Rw@mail.gmail.com>
 <117f9ca6-d81d-adec-c533-3daf5e080e98@nottheoilrig.com>
 <CALK=YjNsVVLdA6Fs86L91uctUfUrCm8BfSea1BSRHd5KOWVeTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1479230392.5183.90.camel@mimir.webthing.com>
From: Jacob Champion <champion.p@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13298d9a-6db0-6a15-7f59-f1a05820ffa4@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:41:17 -0800
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/45.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <1479230392.5183.90.camel@mimir.webthing.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Conditionally LoadModule?
archived-at: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:41:31 -0000

On 11/15/2016 09:19 AM, Nick Kew wrote:
> So IfFile joins IfDefine and the infamous[1] IfModule.  What next?
> We can't get rid of them in the lifetime of 2.4, but maybe thereafter
> they could come together?

Is there a way we could provide a "startup-time" subset of ap_exprs?

> [1] because it gives rise to so much confusion amongst users.

Is that because of a problem in <IfModule> itself, or just in its 
overuse? (E.g., on IRC we tend to complain about it, not because it's 
confusing, but because it has achieved cargo-cult status: people use it 
everywhere whether they need it or not, and it silently covers up their 
failure to load modules they need, which is exactly as designed.)

Also, tangential but related: it would be very nice if, for a 2.next or 
3.0, we explicitly separated directives that ran at different times by 
their syntax. <IfDefine/Module> are like C preprocessor directives, in 
that they affect what the server sees in the configuration. <If> is a 
request-time conditional. They should really not look so similar.

--Jacob

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@httpd.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@httpd.apache.org