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From Marat Khalili <...@rqc.ru>
Subject Re: [users@httpd] SNI SSL per domain?
Date Thu, 08 Sep 2016 02:43:02 GMT
Did you consider having two instances of Apache: one for handling SSL with vhost per certificate,
and one for actual web sites with vhost per site? First one will proxy requests to the second.
Some people do it this way for performance reasons, but it lets you be more flexible with
certificates too.

> All the same, would it not make sense to decouple the SNI logic from the vhosts? Just
thinking at a conceptual level, there seems no particular reason why these entities are combined
in the configuration.

Except for the fact that in 99.999% of use cases SNI determines vhost and non-canonical domains
are just redirects.

OTOH, since every certificate contains domain names it is valid for, why cannot Apache pick
certificate from a list or directory automatically before even considering virtualhosts? Isn't
certificate-domain relationship in Apache configuration redundant (in most cases) and error-prone?
-- 

With Best Regards,
Marat Khalili

On September 8, 2016 3:03:35 AM GMT+03:00, Felipe Gasper <felipe@felipegasper.com> wrote:
>Reviving this thread …
>
>This would mean that every vhost will needs its own common.conf file,
>which, on a server with thousands of vhosts, will make for expensive
>loads of the configuration file.
>
>mod_macro in 2.4 is another route we may explore, but we have some
>really complex vhost templating logic that would be difficult to port.
>
>All the same, would it not make sense to decouple the SNI logic from
>the vhosts? Just thinking at a conceptual level, there seems no
>particular reason why these entities are combined in the configuration.
>
>Are there plugin controls that would facilitate control of the SSL
>certificate sent to the browser? Or would a change like this really
>need to be in Apache itself?
>
>Thank you!
>
>-FG
>
>> On 3 Feb 2016, at 5:54 AM, Stefan Eissing
><stefan.eissing@greenbytes.de> wrote:
>> 
>> common.conf:
>> 
>> <Locationwhatever...
>> ...
>> ...
>> ---------------------------
>> 
>> <VirtualHost *:443>
>>  ServerName foo.tld
>> 
>>  SSLCertificateFile foo.pem
>> 
>>  Include common.con
>> </VirtualHost>
>> <VirtualHost *:443>
>>  ServerName bar.tld
>> 
>>  SSLCertificateFile bar.pem
>> 
>>  Include common.con
>> </VirtualHost>
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 03.02.2016 um 11:45 schrieb Felipe Gasper
><felipe@felipegasper.com>:
>>> 
>>> What if I have a vhost with:
>>> 
>>> ServerName foo.tld
>>> ServerAlias bar.tld
>>> 
>>> … but I have two separate SSL certificates for these domains? Is
>there any way to accommodate this without either splitting the domains
>onto separate vhosts or buying a new certificate that covers both
>domains?
>>> 
>>> -FG
>>> 
>>> On 3 Feb 2016 12:26 AM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
>>>> Sounds like you have mis-structured the config.  Per servername -
>each
>>>> can and should have its own cert and will be selected via SNI.  If
>there
>>>> are subadmins beneath each vhost section #include those snippets
>and
>>>> they all still fall within the given host name.
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2016 11:21 AM, "Felipe Gasper" <felipe@felipegasper.com
>>>> <mailto:felipe@felipegasper.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   On 1 Feb 2016 12:16 PM, Oscar Knorn wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>       On 2016/02/01 Felipe Gasper wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>           Hello,
>>>> 
>>>>                 Is it possible to do SNI SSL per domain rather than
>>>>           per vhost? If
>>>>           not, is there a feature request in for this?
>>>> 
>>>>                 Thank you!
>>>> 
>>>>           -Felipe Gasper
>>>>           Houston, TX
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>       Hello Felipe,
>>>> 
>>>>       are'nt in your configuration the domains organized in vhost
>sections
>>>>       yet? Do you think, there might be a reason you can't organize
>>>>       them that way?
>>>> 
>>>>       Cheers Oscar
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   Hi Oscar,
>>>> 
>>>>   Thanks for responding!
>>>> 
>>>>   We have end users customizing their own vhost configurations via
>a
>>>>   limited-access interface; hence, I can’t put one domain per
>vhost.
>>>> 
>>>>   -F
>>>> 
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