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From Mohammed obaidan <blue4...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [users@httpd] Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf
Date Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:55:25 GMT
Hi,

Apache is not for web server admins. what about developers? What about home
servers? What about users that needs a certain web application on their
intranet? do they need to be web server admins to use Apache? certainly not.

Most of the posts here suggests that people here are Apache admins and they
think that such a tool is useless because they can use a text editor to
configure Apache because they are Apache admins.How about if you are not an
Apache admin? I do not think you are going to hack a text file for adding a
virtual host or an alias without a certain tool that can display information
about such directives and validate that for you.


I think I need to clear some points here before this discussion goes on a
different direction.

1. This tool in its final form will do everything you can do with a text
editor to configure Apache. However it will not be a replacement for a the
text editor because the tool will handle Apache and the modules that comes
with it.

2. Do not worry about GUI complexities. These can be solved easily.

3. Apache is not for admins only. It is used by developers, home servers,
local intranets. You do not need to be a web server admin to use Apache.

4. I wanted to make this tool because I am a developer and have a home
server. I want to configure Apache to suit my needs without the need to hack
a text editor and read the documentation of a certain feature of Apache.

5. This tool can be extended later to include useful tools. As I said before
the aim is a complete Apache admin tool the first step is a GUI for
httpd.conf.

6. I think I will start building the tool and at least let the community
test the tool and get a feedback whether this tool will be useful or not.

Regards

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Krist van Besien <krist.vanbesien@gmail.com
> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Peter Schober
> <peter.schober@univie.ac.at> wrote:
>
> >  It's certainly not for me. But other than stating the reasons why I
> > think this is not practical and helpful in the real world, why should
> > I try to convice others to /not/ write duch a thing? Because "some
> > things should not be easy"?
>
> Thinks should be easy. That is the point. Given the aim of the apache
> webserver, and its intended audience the current way of configuring
> apache is by far the easiest.
>
> Apache is a tool for webserver admins, not for average computer users.
> With apache if I need to explain to one of our operators how to deploy
> a change to all our webservers all I need to know is if said person
> has basic unix knowledge (which is the case, or we wouldn't let them
> near our servers) and all I need to provide in my workorder is "copy
> atached file to /etc/apache2/sites_available and then execute
> apache2ctl graceful.
> With a gui I either need to know if the target of my workorder is
> familiar whith the gui, and if I'm not sure I have no other option of
> writing a complete walk through, with screenshots. That I consider a
> waste of my time.
> So my preference for the command line and text files has nothing to do
> with elitism or nostalgia. It has everything to do with two things
> that are very important in a production environment: Simplicity and
> repeatability.
>
> Krist
>
>
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