Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 86116 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 11:00:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 11:00:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 42578 invoked by uid 500); 19 Oct 2006 10:59:51 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-users-archive@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 42562 invoked by uid 500); 19 Oct 2006 10:59:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@httpd.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: users@httpd.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list users@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 42539 invoked by uid 99); 19 Oct 2006 10:59:51 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:59:51 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [213.171.192.50] (HELO exch-fe01.exchange.local) (213.171.192.50) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:59:50 -0700 Received: from exch-be12.exchange.local ([172.16.15.242]) by exch-fe01.exchange.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:02:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6F36D.E5620E12" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:01:15 +0100 Message-ID: <765B107C81C3CA419BCDA8C4EB6753C4078099@exch-be12.exchange.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <765B107C81C3CA419BCDA8C4EB6753C4078099@exch-be12.exchange.local> Thread-Topic: [users@httpd] No response recieved from Apache at some external locations, but not others Thread-Index: AcbzZm/8d1WMUsevTGigDY4bDJiGlQAA6N/gAACReXQ= References: From: "Robert Elliot" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2006 11:02:06.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[03CCBFA0:01C6F36E] X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Subject: RE: [users@httpd] No response recieved from Apache at some external locations, but not others X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F36D.E5620E12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Elliot [mailto:Rob@lidalia.org.uk = ] >> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:08 PM >> To: users@httpd.apache.org >> Subject: [users@httpd] No response recieved from Apache at >> some external locations, but not others >> >> Hi, I'm having issues running Apache/2.0.59 (Win32) DAV/2 >> mod_auth_sspi/1.0.4 mod_ssl/2.0.59 OpenSSL/0.9.8c SVN/1.4.0 >> Server on Windows Server 2003. >> >> I reckon about 60% of external people can see the website, >> and 40% cannot. Unfortunately all three of my external >> attempts to retrieve a flat HTML file fail, from work, client >> site and my PDA's GPRS. IE and Firefox both sit waiting for >> a response forever if I request a legitimate file. If I >> request a nonsense one I get an accurate 404 from the server, >> examining the response in Fiddler reveals it is definitely an >> HTTP response served by my server, it shows my server's >> config. What's more, Apache does seem to log my attempts >> that fail as 200 requests, and nothing appears in the error >> log. So my request is getting through; but no response gets >> back to me. nmap run from work also correctly identified my >> server as running Apache configured the way I have it, so >> nmap can get a response back. Just not, it would seem, any >> web browser when asked to serve a valid file. >>=20 >> Obviously it is not a firewall ... issue > >I wouldn't be too quick to jump to that conclusion. Mystery timeouts >very often *are* a FW issue - it is standard practice for a FW to drop >silently disallowed packets. This makes it harder for an attacker to >determine if he's really being denied or if the network is just slow, = so >it slows him down. > >Mind you, it would mean a FW that was dropping outgoing packets based = on >their HTTP response code which is a bit weird... =20 Thanks for the reply. =20 If it is an FW issue then it must either be my router dropping the = packets on the basis of both the IP address it is asked to send them to = and the HTTP response code, or a corporate FW dropping incoming packets = based on a combination of IP address and response code. The former seems unlikely to me; I'd be surprised if my router was up to = that sort of cleverness. It certainly isn't logging anything like that, = and I certainly haven't configured the firewall like that myself. =20 I'd be a bit surprised by the latter, too; my work don't seem to filter = anything, and the client I'm currently at have a system of informing you = if you request something they don't approve of. Though I suppose my ISP = might have been blacklisted by someone or other? > >What is different between clients who *can* access the site and those >who cannot? I'm unsure; I thought it might be that "home" users seem to get in OK = and "corporate" not, but my wife can get in from her work (a big oil = multinational). I haven't identified a common factor yet. =20 >Are you sure the logs are really identical too? =20 I believe so, though I'm currently at work so I'll have to examine them = again tonight. There's definitely nothing in the error log.=20 >Can you post an example URL for us to try? OK, try http://www.lidalia.org.uk - should = show the Apache splash page. 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