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From "Clive Dowler" <llyssa...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject RE: [users@httpd] Help needed.
Date Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:34:21 GMT
Thank you very much for the help.  I can now see the problem more clearly.
Although I am housing the website my self, the company that sorts out the
domain name seems to be doing something strange.  This is unfortunately WAY
out of my league :( so I'm going to have to ask my big brother (he set up
the domain bit for me).  Unfortunately he is at the pension show in London
until Friday. (stand 42 If your going that way).

Now that you have pointed out the difference I logged on using the ip
address instead of the name and all my changes were there.

Just for you info, the ip address is a cable modem connect via a router to
an old win98 box hiding behind my computer desk.

Once again thank you all for your kind help.

Clive Dowler

-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle Owen [mailto:Owen.Boyle@swx.com] 
Sent: 03 November 2005 08:10
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Help needed.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clive Dowler [mailto:llyssande@blueyonder.co.uk]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 2. November 2005 16:50
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Help needed.
> 
> 
> Thanx for the help.  Here is an update.  I've changed all the 
> slashes to
> face the correct way.
> 
> I have also put the web site onto my personal webspace 
> provided by my isp.
> 
> Here the problem.  
> When I look at the site on my home page. 
> 
> http://www.llyssande.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
> 
> The title changes as I was expecting.  However when I put the 
> same page on
> the web server that is running apache the title dosen't show 
> up and I just
> get the web address.

Strictly speaking, this is a problem with HTML and is nothing to do with
apache. However, you seem a nice guy (helping out your Ma and all :-) and
seem willing to learn so here's my tuppence-worth:

This is to do with the weird way your site is hosted by your ISP. I tried
directly requesting http://www.finca-auroum.co.uk/ using telnet and I get a
page which consists of a single frame into which is loaded the contents of
http://82.34.24.160/. This second URL is your actual page about the house
for rent. However, the browser has loaded the "outer" page (containing the
framset) so the browser displays the title from the that outer page and that
title is set to the domain-name.

Here is a transcript of the session:

	(this is me requesting your site):

GET http://www.finca-auroum.co.uk/ HTTP/1.0                 

	This is the server's response header:

HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:57:51 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux) PHP/4.1.2
Vary: Host
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.1.2
X-Cache: MISS from plotinus.easily.co.uk

	This is the page that the response contains. Note that the title tag
contains the domain name of the site, not the text description that you
want...

<html>
<head>
<!-- url = http://82.34.24.160/ -->
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1"><title>finca-auroum.co.uk</title></head>
<frameset rows="100%,*" border="0" framespacing="0" frameborder="0">
<frame src="http://82.34.24.160/">
</frameset>
<noframes>
<body>
The website for finca-auroum.co.uk can be found by clicking <a
href="http://82.34.24.160/">here</a>.
finca-auroum.co.uk is registered through <a
href="http://easily.co.uk">Easily.co.uk - get web site hosting or domain
name registration here</a><br></body>
</noframes>
</html>

So the problem seems to lie with the way the ISP is hosting pages (putting
them in a framset). I think you need to take it up with them...

Rgds,
Owen Boyle
Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. 


> 
> Clive Dowler
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Jones [mailto:nickj6282@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: 02 November 2005 11:26
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Help needed.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Clive Dowler <llyssande@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> >             I have just taken on the job of
> > attempting to house my mothers
> > website for her.  She orignally payed someone to
> > make the site for her but
> > she wasn't happy with the results, and fell back on
> > the fail safe of
> > emotionally blackmailing her youngest son into
> > attempting it.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >             I have now, I think, got the web site to
> > her satisfaction (I
> > hope, although I'm always expecting that phone call
> > of, 'can you just do
> > this').
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > It has been a struggle for me as I'm dyslexic and
> > find most books in this
> > area very hard to read. :-(
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The site has been running, and tested , but now she
> > wants me to put it on to
> > some search engines.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > After several nights with my web pages for dummies
> > book, I think I know what
> > I need to do to get the search engines to pick the
> > website up.  The first
> > being to give it a more meaningful title.  This is
> > where I get stuck.  I've
> > followed what the books told me to do and if I test
> > locally the Title
> > changes as I wanted.  However once I try to look at
> > it via the web (using
> > apache as the server) the title dosen't show up and
> > I just get
> > www.finca-auroum.co.uk
> > <http://www.finca-auroum.co.uk/>  instead, and not
> > the title 'Finca Auroum a Spanish house to rent for
> > the summer'.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I am at the moment using a machine running win 98
> > (yes I know its not ideal
> > but for the moment, it free, and I didn't have to do
> > to much to it to get it
> > to work, Eventually I'll swap it to Linux but that
> > will take some time to
> > read the relevant documents)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is there something in the config file I need to
> > change, or am I missing some
> > thing else.?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank You.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Clive Dowler
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > P.S.  Please post replyies in as plainer English as
> > possible as I find it
> > easier to read.
> 
> The problem you are having is with your HTML, not with
> Apache. First, to change the title of the page, you
> need to edit what is inside the <title></title> tags
> inside your HTML header. Whatever you put in there
> becomes the title in the title bar of the browser and
> for the search engines.
> 
> Next, none of the links off of your front page work.
> You're using a backslash "\" in your relative links
> rather than a forward slash "/". Backslashes are used
> internally by Windows to identify directories, so this
> probably works internally, but you need to use forward
> slashes in order for it to work on the web.
> 
> HTH
> -Nick 
> 
> 
> 
> 	
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