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From: "David P. Donahue" <ddonahue@ccs.neu.edu>
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:33:48 -0400
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Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Narrowing Down A Strange Problem

Yes, note the difference between the two:
  http://www.cyber0ne.com (mine)
  http://www.cyberOne.com (not mine)

:)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Burden [mailto:tim@burden.ca] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:28 PM
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Narrowing Down A Strange Problem
> 
> 
> Hmm, note the different IP address?
> I think you tracerouted the wrong host name, Samuel.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gold, Samuel (Contractor)" <GoldS@ncr.disa.mil>
> To: <users@httpd.apache.org>
> Cc: <ddonahue@ccs.neu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Narrowing Down A Strange Problem
> 
> 
> > I was not able to view your site and I am in Virginia.
> >
> > Here is my traceroute minus my host info.
> > traceroute www.cyberOne.com
> > traceroute: my host stuff here.
> > traceroute to www.cyberOne.com (203.251.80.133), 30 hops 
> max, 40 byte 
> > packets  1  host stuff here  0.722 ms  0.749 ms  0.463 ms
> >  2  209.22.99.10 (209.22.99.10)  0.812 ms  0.909 ms  1.041 ms
> >  3  209.22.99.20 (209.22.99.20)  2.345 ms  1.406 ms  3.341 ms
> >  4  206.38.93.33 (206.38.93.33)  5.108 ms  2.965 ms  3.354 ms
> >  5  33.250.52.1 (33.250.52.1)  22.356 ms  19.470 ms  19.197 ms
> >  6  198.26.122.9 (198.26.122.9)  18.565 ms  18.825 ms  24.688 ms
> >  7  198.26.122.50 (198.26.122.50)  20.241 ms  19.201 ms  21.160 ms
> >  8  63.149.72.25 (63.149.72.25)  19.821 ms  19.513 ms  19.636 ms
> >  9  205.171.209.77 (205.171.209.77)  18.944 ms  20.644 ms  22.846 ms
> > 10  205.171.8.222 (205.171.8.222)  19.658 ms  21.841 ms  21.747 ms
> > 11  205.171.251.34 (205.171.251.34)  21.535 ms  19.979 ms  27.112 ms
> > 12  209.244.219.181 (209.244.219.181)  20.428 ms  22.009 ms 
>  27.661 ms
> > 13  so-2-1-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (209.244.11.13)  22.229 ms
> 23.164
> > ms  21.219 ms
> > 14  so-0-0-0.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.159.1.133)  97.001 ms  
> > 96.782 ms 97.082 ms 15  so-14-0.hsa3.SanJose1.Level3.net 
> > (4.68.114.154)  100.608 ms  100.462
> ms
> > 98.983 ms
> > 16  65.57.246.14 (65.57.246.14)  97.719 ms  98.150 ms  
> 98.780 ms 17  
> > 211.48.63.229 (211.48.63.229)  237.281 ms  236.760 ms  
> 238.096 ms 18  
> > 218.145.63.217 (218.145.63.217)  237.439 ms  235.780 ms  
> 255.981 ms 19  
> > 220.73.150.129 (220.73.150.129)  316.202 ms  238.392 ms  
> 235.265 ms 20  
> > 220.73.148.22 (220.73.148.22)  240.471 ms  293.412 ms  
> 242.580 ms 21  
> > 203.232.42.230 (203.232.42.230)  239.512 ms  241.816 ms  
> 239.803 ms 22  
> > 211.48.168.170 (211.48.168.170)  241.063 ms  239.663 ms  
> 239.349 ms 23  
> > 211.224.121.250 (211.224.121.250)  242.040 ms  246.970 ms  
> 241.131 ms 
> > 24  * * * 25  * * *
> > 26  * * *
> > 27  * * *
> > 28  * * *
> > 29  * * *
> > 30  * * *
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David P. Donahue [mailto:ddonahue@ccs.neu.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:56 AM
> > To: users@httpd.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Narrowing Down A Strange Problem
> >
> >
> > So far people who can view the site are in:
> >   South Carolina
> >   North Carolina
> >   Missouri
> >   Arkansas
> > And people who can not are int:
> >   Massachusetts
> >   New York
> >   California
> >
> > The only pattern I can derive from that data is the number 
> of hops in 
> > the route.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aman Raheja [mailto:araheja@techquotes.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:53 AM
> > To: users@httpd.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Narrowing Down A Strange Problem
> >
> >
> >  From how many different locations / ISPs / people you have 
> seen this 
> > problem? I am from St Louis and am able to see the site.
> > Thanks
> >
> > David P. Donahue wrote:
> >
> > >>>Did work fine for me. What is the error people get
> > >>>who can't access it for whatever reason and how do
> > >>>you know that there is this 1250 byte limit?
> > >>>Aman Raheja
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >No error is received for >1250b responses, it just never 
> gets to the 
> > >client. I haven't narrowed it down to a specific byte 
> size, but the 
> > >pattern of positive results vs. time-outs seems to hold at 
> > >approximately 1250 bytes.  I've made a large number of GET 
> requests 
> > >and
> >
> > >the pattern has held.  Even directory listings from Apache 
> itself fit 
> > >the pattern if there are enough files in the directory to 
> bring the 
> > >generated response above the 1250-ish-byte line.
> > >
> > >If you were able to view the site, might I ask your 
> general location 
> > >and/or ISP?
> > >
> > >
> > >David P. Donahue wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Before I get into the details of my problem, let me 
> specify that it 
> > >>is my belief that the Apache software (version 1.3.31) is 
> _not_ at 
> > >>fault for this and I am just looking to either: 1) 
> confirm that and 
> > >>look for
> >
> > >>solutions elsewhere; or 2) be proven wrong and hopefully 
> solve the 
> > >>problem here and now.
> > >>
> > >>The Scenario:
> > >> I have a simple website with a bunch of static files that is in 
> > >>place
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>for no other reason than to test connectivity and other issues 
> > >>before I
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>work on the new site(s).  For the curious, this site is 
> located at 
> > >>http://www.cyber0ne.com and, keep in mind, a lot of the 
> > >>functionality of the site itself is broken and it's a crappy old 
> > >>site from when I
> > was
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>in college.
> > >>
> > >>The Symptoms:
> > >> Browse to the site from the localhost (0 hops): no problems.  
> > >>Browse to the site from LAN hosts (1 hop): no problems.  
> Browse to 
> > >>the site from hosts in the general metropolitan vecinity 
> (few hops): 
> > >>no problems.  Browse to the site from across the country (many 
> > >>hops): strange problems seen.
> > >>   Requests are sent to the server, noted in its logs, 
> responded to 
> > >>as
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>usual.  However, only responses (just simple GET requests 
> for static 
> > >>files here) with fewer than approximately 1250 bytes are 
> received by 
> > >>the client.  Server logs show nothing out of the ordinary, but 
> > >>responses greater than approximately 1250 bytes are never 
> received 
> > >>by the client and time out.
> > >>
> > >>The Question(s):
> > >> Has anyone seen anything like this before?
> > >> Can you think of _anything_ in Apache which may result in such 
> > >>behavior?  Can you, from wherever you are, access the site? (The 
> > >>root index page
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>exceeds the 1250-ish-byte limitation so, if you can see that, you 
> > >>should be good.)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> > 
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