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From dale's stuff <>
Subject Re: [users@httpd] how do I prevent sites from hijacking my images?
Date Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:00:14 GMT

On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 04:44 PM, Boyle Owen wrote:

> Just an ethical point that in a democracy, everything is allowed unless
> it is forbidden. If you do not forbid linking to your images, then you
> implicitly allow it.

Yes I do state on the site that hot linking is not allowed. And I never 
stated that my site is a democracy, in fact it isn't. It is the work of one 
person, namely me, and it is my property. There is also the issue of 
copyright. I do have copyright statements on the site, and further, by 
creating the images, even without such a statement, I do own the copyright 
and by using the images without my permission they are violating the law as 
well as my rights.

> So it is a bit stiff to refer to other users as "scum".

I also call spammers scum. anyone that takes money out of my pocket, and is 
also breaking the law is scum. And yes I pay for my bandwidth so they are 
stealing money from me by forcing me to pay for their use of my images.

In some cases I have had people launch competing sites to mine and direct 
link to my images. Images that I have taken time and effort to create and/
or edit and post.

I also host a number of non-profit organizations for free, at least free 
for them. I am the one that pays the bills so before you go down any roads 
about giving back or so forth, be careful.

> The cross-site linking of images and documents was the original idea
> that made the WWW unique when TBL dreamt it up. The idea was that you
> could write a research paper on one server and link in images on another
> - perhaps on the other side of the world.

That is great if that is agreed upon in the first place. In this case there 
are people using my work for their gain without even giving me credit for 
my work, and making me pay for it. Also, in somecases they are using my 
images on commercial sites that users must pay to gain access to.

>  It is sad that this wonderful
> idea has become so commercialised that people regard it as "theft" when
> someone does this nowadays.

It is theft! They are costing me money and illegally using my work for 
their gain. They are in violation of copyright laws as well. How do you not 
see that this is theft?

> Granted, they are using your bandwidth, but
> is it really such a problem? You don't pay by the megabyte, do you?

Yes I do, and I also pay by the minute when connecting locally to access 
and administer my servers.

> Or is the traffic so high that it slows your server? If you calculate what
> fraction of your hit-rate is due to "image-theft", I'd be suprised if
> it's more than a few percent - if that's a problem then your server is
> already close to the edge.

Gee, if you steal a couple of candy bars per week then the store shouldn't 
complain as after all they make enough profit and there are still enough 
candy bars to go around for those that want to pay for them. So why not 
steal a few candy bars per week. If the store can't afford the loss then 
they were about to go out of business anyway and that is their problem, not 
yours for pushing them over the edge.

With all due respect, it is not for you to decide what is an acceptable 
amount of bandwidth theft from my servers, you are not the one paying the 
bill. Now if you want to pay the bills, then fine, you can set the policies 
of the site, until then..... :)

I have increased the bandwidth I pay for about each 10 months for the past 
3 years due to traffic. And I do not sell anything (products or services) 
on my sites, so this all comes out of my pocket.

I do appreciate the comments, but when it comes to taking money out of my 
pockets, then well, it becomes my choice what to allow and what not to 

> Rgds,
> Owen Boyle


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dale's stuff []
>> Sent: Mittwoch, 6. November 2002 04:06
>> To:
>> Subject: [users@httpd] how do I prevent sites from hijacking my images?
>> Hello,
>> I was just processing my logs and have found that once again
>> some scum are
>> stealing some images from my site and linking directly to them.
>> I am running apache 1.3.2x on RH Linux 7.1. I would like to be able to
>> serve a different image to these scum to get the point across
>> that they can'
>> t be stealing my images -kind of like what angelfire and so forth do.
>> any suggestions?
>> Thanks
>> Dale

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