From modules-dev-return-130-apmail-httpd-modules-dev-archive=httpd.apache.org@httpd.apache.org Tue Nov 07 20:08:49 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-modules-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 16822 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2006 20:08:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 20:08:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 69880 invoked by uid 500); 7 Nov 2006 20:08:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-modules-dev-archive@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 69855 invoked by uid 500); 7 Nov 2006 20:08:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact modules-dev-help@httpd.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: modules-dev@httpd.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list modules-dev@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 69846 invoked by uid 99); 7 Nov 2006 20:08:59 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:08:59 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of mcqueenorama@gmail.com designates 66.249.92.168 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.249.92.168] (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:08:45 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 75so1279935ugb for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:08:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RnfbNyiX2rdJWmYYbnrAy7Klxr+4v1p5Ai89M7LrKQVmJYnq+jICebqw9Wx+etRLzN7AFsLZEPOGEgrnNm1TOsY+kE/8V1mE0t2rAUQWOEK/tgXHsQNtcZj0ZuYXHRUbb7k7vwYPecdp2zKqqUe1EPY/lRjk0t917LqmTfVM8Oc= Received: by 10.67.117.18 with SMTP id u18mr9640029ugm.1162930103627; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.99.3 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:08:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5b3fa8f0611071208m1947e171yb3a5f60fcd201ab1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:08:23 -0800 From: "Brian McQueen" To: modules-dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Re: Who is Representing Apache? In-Reply-To: <1162929408.5634.18.camel@test.asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5b3fa8f0611060925s5842da93r27c88a75b1ecc89@mail.gmail.com> <1162929408.5634.18.camel@test.asus> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Yes, exactly the issue I am worrying about! More companies need to be developing within Apache, and the new book should help out the situation a bit, but a new book isn't enough. We also need to be at the meetings, spreading the news about what it can do for them. They remember mostly that Apache delivers html and runs CGIs. On 11/7/06, Joachim Zobel wrote: > Am Montag, den 06.11.2006, 09:25 -0800 schrieb Brian McQueen: > > This awesome Apache thing you guys created is beginning to slide into > > obscurity, when its actually better now than ever and should be moving > > more steadily into the forefront. Its no mere web server! > > This is the unfortunate social process that happens when a software > system reaches maturity. During this process the software gets harder to > use and develop. You end up with a system that is close to perfection, > but is used by a very small number of people. > > VMS could do things, unix is still trying to reach today (versioning > file system, transparent clustering). Who uses TeX? The Oracle database > is probably on the same road, and there are quite shure others that come > to mind within a few minutes of thinking. > > Apache is special because it is very widely used, but only a few people > know what it can actually do. > > Sincerely, > Joachim > > >