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From William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
Subject Re: translating English to Japanese
Date Tue, 08 Mar 2016 01:14:31 GMT
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:50 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
wrote:

> On Mar 7, 2016 12:28 PM, "Kazuki Aranami" <kazuki.aranami@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > 2016-03-06 13:09 GMT+09:00 William A Rowe Jr <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>:
> >
> > Hi William,
> >
> > > Please share the license terms and conditions granted
> > > by www.transifex.com for OSS, so we may evalute this?
> >
> > This Web site is a translation-only pay site. Translation dedicated
> > tool can also be used.
> > Then, if the OSS of the project, this Web site, you can use free of
> charge.
> >
> > I, is the project leader. Project members also, you can increase.
> > Is such a thing to use the Web site, the rule violation?
>
> It will entirely depend on the terms and conditions of the translation
> tool (be it a program, or web service, etc).
>
> If the license terms of the tool are compatible with the Apache License,
> use of such tools is encouraged as long as the quality of the translation
> is up to par (or the results are significantly corrected.)
>
> If the terms are not compatible (additional restrictions, for example),
> then the specific tool cannot be used.
>
> That's why I asked for a pointer to the license that service applies to
> the translated output of the tool you wish to use.
>

I researched the site, and failed to locate what terms and conditions
apply to any 'generated' results, but it generated more questions :)

The basic premise of non-ASF hosted content hosted over on
https://www.transifex.com/product/ doesn't appear to fit our model.
Our localized documentation is not only provided at the canonical
location http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ but is also provided in all of
the source releases we ship and installed to the user for their use.
We have gone to great lengths to ensure we support parallel language
content on the site.

Even though our website is the 'most current' and correct copy of
the docs, that local copy of the documentation content is still shared
and available to the user of the software.  And our content build system
that I mentioned earlier helps us track how far 'out of date' a given page's
content is for any given translation.

So if you are asking if it makes sense to 'host' a translation at transifex?
My personal answer (worth about $0.02) is no, that all ASF translation
efforts should end up merged back with the ASF project sources, if they
are recognized as "the" ASF official translation.

The terms of use was very specific, and said nothing about using the
results of any content generated by transifex.  That information must
be buried somewhere on their site.

But if you are asking 'is it possible' - as long as any resource that
uses ASF sources (including the docs) cannot be construed to be
an 'official' distribution, then it is possible for any entity to publish
a derivative of the Apache HTTP Server documentation.  And that
would include an translated work.

If we can find a way to use transifex services as a "development
tool" that serves translators and reviewers better than the mailing
list, bug tracking system and subversion repository alone, then
we should consider doing so.  If a given translation team prefers
using  google docs, for example, that should also be considered.

The end result of any ASF-recognized should still be patches to
the official subversion repository and hosted for public consumption
on http://{projectname}.apache.org/docs/.  How that happens is
all negotiable.

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