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From "Webmaster" <>
Subject RE: Your HTTPD wiki page
Date Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:49:48 GMT

Your comments (below) and edits to my userpages (
<> are pointedly innappropriate and
frankly very mean-spirited! I thought that we were allowed to link to our
homepages ( <>
<> on our user
pages, as I notice most contributors do.  I want to and am allowed to
contribute to the httpd wiki and I have something to contribute.  Besides
your suggestion that I leave forever as I'm not wanted, do you or anyone
else have a suggestion as to how I can participate on the wiki?



> -----Original Message-----

> From: Vincent Bray [ <>] 

> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:39 AM

> To:

> Subject: Your persistent wiki edits


> Hi,


> What part of being banned don't you understand? We (the httpd-docs

> contributors) have wasted enough time on you already. I 

> deleted your askapache personal page, precisely because you 

> were banned, and because it contains links to your site which 

> is in violation of the apache name, and contains largely 

> spurious information.


> I would ask you kindly not to make any more edits to the 

> wiki, but you won't listen, which is partly why you're not welcome.


> --

> noodl


From: Francois Gingras [] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:13 AM
Cc: Webmaster
Subject: Re: Your HTTPD wiki page

First off, I do agree that introducing a variety of content on the wiki is a
great advantage to the end users and administrators that will visit it.

However, some content, as pointed out by Tony, is highly misleading at
times. This AskApache fellow proved it numerous times, especially with the
overuse of htaccess over editing the configuration files directly. The goal
of this exercise is perhaps to extract the most useful tips outlined at or any other resources, and summarise them on the wiki. Also,
peer reviews go a long way here, especially with all the talent that looks
at this list.

I'm not totally opposed to linking to external sites in articles, albeit it
does distract the reader in some way. An article should be concise and
self-contained, ideally. 

In that light, I agree that we should perhaps give askapache/mrapache
another chance, and let him try to provide useful content to the wiki.

On 8/9/07, Todd Conley <> wrote: 

AFAIK the wiki, as I've seen and used it, is a collection of articles,
contributed by various folks, and generally contains everything you'd need
to find on the subject, right there in the wiki article. Does anyone link to
other sites with articles/advertisements? What's the policy on this?
obivously the official links are going to apache websites, and i'm sure that
there are revenue generating features on some of those links, or portions of
those sites. Can we create a user-contributed link section where it's clear
that pages linked (and SUMMARIZED) on the wiki are just that.... links that
you can choose to use however you want? There is some helpful stuff at
askapache, and I've never visited it before, so I'm not partial to it by any
means. it would be nice to have a repository of all "resources" out there
for apache, from enthusiasts, experts, and even beginners that are just
making their first tutorials based on their experiences with apache. 



On 8/9/07, Tony Stevenson < > wrote: 


First of all I am not on your case, but I was concerned that this would
lead to a flame war on the wiki again through the edit comments.  The 
reason I removed the links is because your last account was banned and

However, let me apologise for jumping the gun this morning, I was rather
hoping to prevent either others doing what I had done, but in a rather 
more inflammatory way, or to prevent a flame war.  It would seem that
the inverse has happened.

So if you want to re-add your links, I will happily revert my change, so
other people within the docs community, and/or the HTTPD community as a 
whole can decide whether to allow or not allow those links.  Because if
I recall correctly the consensus was that parts of the material on was misleading or confusing at best. I am unsure if time
may have changed those opinions, but I am happy to see what happens.

I have CC'd this mail to the docs@ mailing list so that a decision can
be reached, hopefully with everyones best interests intact.

We would be very happy for you ton contribute to the wiki, but you have
to accept that these will be reviewed by your peers, and may well be
edited.  Your htaccess material in the past has not conformed to what is
considered to be best practice methods and if they are published on the
wiki they may well be altered.


Webmaster wrote:
> Its a new user page for my new user.  I believe I am following the
> and guidelines to the letter.  And the meta tag stuff was just me reading
> about the wiki software and testing stuff out.  Obviously you are aware
> userpages are NOT indexed by search engines..  view the source code. 
> I just realized this morning that my AskApache username was deleted and my
> old userpage deleted.  So I viewed the history and copied the code,
> a new user (I plan on contributing to the wiki minus external links), and 
> got myself up and running.
> Seriously man why are you on my case?  Its a user page and search engines
> don't even look at it.  I added a link to my blog and my forum on my user
> page, just like everyone else.   Edit my page and I'm taking it to the
> honchos to put a stop to this childishness before you cause another
> flamewar.
> I'm just trying to contribute to the wiki and its my userpage with links
> my homepages for crying out loud. 

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Stevenson [
<> ]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:11 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: Your HTTPD wiki page
>> Hi, 
>> I am just sending you an email to tell you that I plan to 
>> edit your home page.
>> You have created a new page, and added links to your site,
>> and the htaccesslite site again.  We expressly asked you not
>> to add those again last time. 
>> I will also remove the meta type tags you have added that
>> would appear to be aimed at being getting your name higher
>> rankings in search crawls.
>> If you have any issues then please either email me, or email 
>> the mailing list.  We are the people
>> who maintain the wiki, and last time asked you not to use these links. 
>> Your last homepage was deleted after your account was banned. 
>>  It would appear that you are either trying to get around
>> that ban, or did not see our last emails to you, where we
>> asked you to not use them.
>> --Tony 

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