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From Stefan Eissing <>
Subject Re: async mpms + http2
Date Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:00:20 GMT

> Am 15.12.2015 um 17:58 schrieb Graham Leggett <>:
> On 15 Dec 2015, at 5:44 PM, Stefan Eissing <> wrote:
>> However, there is another state in HTTP/2 processing, where a BLOCK_READ is performed:
flow control on streaming out responses. Basically, the client has a window of n bytes, the
server sends n response bytes and then needs to wait for the client to increase the window
again. This would be a good time to resume processing back to the mpm, and initially I did
so. But that breaks under load.
>> Under load, the event mpm feels free to close connections in certain states - I think
CONN_STATE_CHECK_REQUEST_LINE_READABLE. That is fine for a HTTP/1 connection as it always
is between requests here. But HTTP/2 would also like to use read events, but unloading a child
by closing such connections is not the right thing to do.
>> Is there a way mod_http2 can achieve this or do we need another flag in conn_rec/cs?
> Does the CONN_STATE_WRITE_COMPLETION state fit this case?

As far as I figured out, that will only work when http2 processing moves into an output filter.
Then the filter would have to mimic pending data and sense == READ. That would prevent event
from closing the connection early and POLL_IN. Next attempt to write the output_filters could
then read again.

Other attempts to keep the connection although output filters are empty fail under load. I'll
give the http2 output filter a try, but it feels a bit like hacking the current design (the
design is not wrong, it just could not predict h2 usage). 

> The WRITE in the above name is a bit of a misnomer, because when mod_ssl returns WANTS_READ
we return to the CONN_STATE_WRITE_COMPLETION state with the sense set to READ. This tells
the MPM to block waiting until we’re readable, as opposed to block waiting until we’re

I think this only happens, as long as data remains in the output filter.

>> Observation 2: controlled close
>> HTTP/2 would like to send out a last frame when closing a connection in a controlled/timeout
way. Do we need another hook for that? Something like "pre_close_connection”?
> I’m assuming we would like a module to have control over the sending of that frame,
if so, it makes sense yes.


>> Observation 3: timeouts
>> a. If admins would like to have another Timeout for HTTP/2 connections, they are
currently stuck with configuring one Timeout which goes to server_rec->timeout, right?
For idle connections, clients already try to keep it open longer. It would be nice to give
admins a choice here for different values based on the selected protocol. How to best do this?
> Perhaps just as we can override the sense of the connection before returning, we might
be able to modify the timeout before returning.

I'd like that.

>> b. Handling own timeouts: if I want, during processing the connection, a different
socket timeout, I can just set it using apr_socket_timeout_set()? Shall I restore it back
to server->timeout before returning?
> That feels wrong, ideally we want to be formally telling the MPM “give us this timeout”
rather than doing something sneaky behind it’s back.

Yes. Do not like it either.

>> c. What would be the best way to wait for a file description *and* conditional event
simultaneously? mod_http2 has now a sort of pool loop with double backup timer for situations
where it needs to watch both client and backend processes.
> I’m not sure how portable it is watching for file descriptors. I have used libev to
do this in the past and it was quite involved. However - if we can support this it would be
really useful.
> Regards,
> Graham
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