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From William A Rowe Jr <>
Subject Re: Interesting data point
Date Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:03:51 GMT
Indeed Frederik and Eric,

I looked this morning and only OpenSUSE.latest and FreeBSD.latest appear to
include one of the versions current over the past year.  Others are
shipping older (often much older) 2.2/2.4 versions.

So all but a handful of the numbers cited were for admins 'going it on
their own' from source or third parties, very few using distribution
packages at all.  Similarly, changing server products altogether is a
manually intensive exercise.
On Nov 12, 2015 08:56, "Frederik Nosi" <> wrote:

> Hi,
> On 11/12/2015 03:17 PM, Eric Covener wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 3:35 AM, William A Rowe Jr <>
>> wrote:
>>> If it is that easy to move 202k sites (111k net) to an entirely different
>>> server, it is supposed to be much simpler for the users to move within
>>> the
>>> same server - from their 2.2.x to 2.4.current, isn't it?  And if it is
>>> that
>>> easy to move away, then for 2.2 to 2.4 migration to continue to be
>>> painful
>>> will surely hurt httpd adoption, down the road.
>> I don't think the numbers necessarily speak to the difficulty in
>> upgrading (or switching).  There are
>> some people who won't switch until absolutely forced, and others who
>> have new requirements
>> or are just more liberal in making a change.
>> I personally do not really see a lot of bad feedback about 2.2 to 2.4
>> migration. Maybe there would be a good perspective from e.g. one of
>> the debian maintainers, because their users in some way would have
>> been "forcibly" dragged though it to stay current on the OS.
> In my experience, it's not the apache upgrade difficulty per se, but the
> fact that a lot of people using RHEL / SLES have yet to upgrade to their
> latest versions (RHEL 7 / SLES 12) which include Apache 2.4

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