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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:43:26 -0400
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Subject: Re: Does Apache need Designers?
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On 10/15/2013 07:28 AM, Nikash SINGH wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know it's not entirely appropriate to interject on this list, but 
> I've exhausted a few other options before deciding to post here.
>
> I'm a User Interface Designer with experience in open source projects 
> (OpenOffice.org, then LibreOffice) and I'd like to help by making 
> graphics for Apache because I feel particularly passionate about the 
> world wide web and its freedom. I've suggested this in the past and 
> met with lukewarm reception so I'm posting on this list in hopes it 
> will find support with some Developers who see the need for a 
> Designer's contribution.
>
> To show how I could contribute (and whether I'm capable of it) I've 
> prepared some examples where new imagery might reinforce Apache's 
> standing as the premier HTTP server. On this site below, I've proposed 
> logos, installers and a website re-skin;
>
> http://nikashsingh.org/apache/
>
>
> As you can see I'm not radically changing anything, I'm just 
> suggesting small improvements to bring the aesthetic of Apache up to 
> date. And I'm being realistic about the degree of change necessary, 
> especially on the HTTP project website where the changes are CSS-only 
> to minimise work.
>
> For example, this is the current (existing) HTTP project website;
> http://httpd.apache.org/
>
> And this is the exact same page with my CSS file added;
> http://nikashsingh.org/apache/httpserver/welcome_mod.htm
>
> I know this is a Dev list, but I'm hoping some of you feel inclined 
> after viewing the proposals, that the help of a Designer might benefit 
> Apache going forward. And even if these examples aren't useful, maybe 
> we could discuss the creation of icons/badges/shirts etc? more of my 
> work can be found at my volunteer website below.
>
> Thanks for taking a moment to check out the proposals!
> I hope you'll consider my request for joining you all in making Apache 
> look every bit as good as it works.
> -Nik
> http://nikashsingh.org 
So, a few comments:

First, I like what you've proposed regarding the httpd website, although 
the blue marble thing next to the project name seems out of place. Are 
you changes just to CSS, or are they changes to the HTML? (I didn't dig 
too deeply, as you can see.) I also like the changes to the Windows 
installer. I'm not at all sure what's involved in changing the look of 
the installer.

Second, you've proposed changes to the httpd website, but also to stuff 
that is at the Foundation level. Any changes to the logo would have to 
be decided on the Trademarks mailing list - trademarks@apache.org - 
rather than on a list dealing with just one project within the 
Foundation. In case you're not very familiar with the Foundation, there 
are 100+ projects, and httpd is just one of them. All project have equal 
footing within the Foundation, and such a thing, affecting the entire 
Foundation, could not be decided here.


-- 
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
Shosholoza


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/2013 07:28 AM, Nikash SINGH
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:525D26FA.3070103@nikashsingh.org" type="cite">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
        charset=ISO-8859-1">
      Hi,<br>
      <br>
      I know it's not entirely appropriate to interject on this list,
      but I've exhausted a few other options before deciding to post
      here.<br>
      <br>
      I'm a User Interface Designer with experience in open source
      projects (OpenOffice.org, then LibreOffice) and I'd like to help
      by making graphics for Apache because I feel particularly
      passionate about the world wide web and its freedom. I've
      suggested this in the past and met with lukewarm reception so I'm
      posting on this list in hopes it will find support with some
      Developers who see the need for a Designer's contribution.<br>
      <br>
      To show how I could contribute (and whether I'm capable of it)
      I've prepared some examples where new imagery might reinforce
      Apache's standing as the premier HTTP server. On this site below,
      I've proposed logos, installers and a website re-skin;<br>
      <br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://nikashsingh.org/apache/">http://nikashsingh.org/apache/</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      As you can see I'm not radically changing anything, I'm just
      suggesting small improvements to bring the aesthetic of Apache up
      to date. And I'm being realistic about the degree of change
      necessary, especially on the HTTP project website where the
      changes are CSS-only to minimise work.<br>
      <br>
      For example, this is the current (existing) HTTP project website;<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://httpd.apache.org/">http://httpd.apache.org/</a><br>
      <br>
      And this is the exact same page with my CSS file added;<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://nikashsingh.org/apache/httpserver/welcome_mod.htm">http://nikashsingh.org/apache/httpserver/welcome_mod.htm</a><br>
      <br>
      I know this is a Dev list, but I'm hoping some of you feel
      inclined after viewing the proposals, that the help of a Designer
      might benefit Apache going forward. And even if these examples
      aren't useful, maybe we could discuss the creation of
      icons/badges/shirts etc? more of my work can be found at my
      volunteer website below.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks for taking a moment to check out the proposals!<br>
      I hope you'll consider my request for joining you all in making
      Apache look every bit as good as it works.<br>
      -Nik<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://nikashsingh.org">http://nikashsingh.org</a> </blockquote>
    So, a few comments:<br>
    <br>
    First, I like what you've proposed regarding the httpd website,
    although the blue marble thing next to the project name seems out of
    place. Are you changes just to CSS, or are they changes to the HTML?
    (I didn't dig too deeply, as you can see.) I also like the changes
    to the Windows installer. I'm not at all sure what's involved in
    changing the look of the installer.<br>
    <br>
    Second, you've proposed changes to the httpd website, but also to
    stuff that is at the Foundation level. Any changes to the logo would
    have to be decided on the Trademarks mailing list -
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:trademarks@apache.org">trademarks@apache.org</a> - rather than on a list dealing with just one
    project within the Foundation. In case you're not very familiar with
    the Foundation, there are 100+ projects, and httpd is just one of
    them. All project have equal footing within the Foundation, and such
    a thing, affecting the entire Foundation, could not be decided here.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Rich Bowen
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com">rbowen@rcbowen.com</a>
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