sounds good for me. Apologies for confusion!

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Jeff Trawick <trawick@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Michael Felt <mamfelt@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was assuming that "worker.c" was the code that spawned the threads.
> (remember, this is 2.2.22, not 2.4.0, in case that makes any difference)

uhh, huge difference...  2.2.x does not have loadable MPMs or the
corresponding --enable-mpms-shared=all flag

for simplification can we limit discussion to 2.4.x/2.5.x until that
is working fine?  that's the configure logic I started the thread for

>
> So, please correct me where I am wrong:
> from "/etc/httpd/extra/httpd-mpm.conf
>
> #
> # Only one of the below sections will be relevant on your
> # installed httpd.  Use "apachectl -l" to find out the
> # active mpm.
> #
>
> ... I assumed that this is where "worker.c" was telling me that mpm=worker
> <IfModule mpm_prefork_module>
> ....
> # worker MPM
> # StartServers: initial number of server processes to start
> # MaxClients: maximum number of simultaneous client connections
> # MinSpareThreads: minimum number of worker threads which are kept spare
> ...
> <IfModule mpm_worker_module>
>     StartServers          2
>     MaxClients          150
>     MinSpareThreads      25
> ...
> <IfModule mpm_beos_module>
>
> etc..
>
> Note - these are the ONLY compiled in modules:
>
> root@x105:[/]apachectl -l
> Compiled in modules:
>   core.c
>   worker.c
>   http_core.c
>   mod_so.c
> ---
> OR
> root@x105:[/]apachectl -M
> Loaded Modules:
>  core_module (static)
>  mpm_worker_module (static)
>  http_module (static)
>  so_module (static)
>  authn_file_module (shared)
>  authn_dbm_module (shared)
>  authn_anon_module (shared)
>  authn_dbd_module (shared)
>  authn_default_module (shared)
>  authz_host_module (shared)
>  authz_groupfile_module (shared)
>  authz_user_module (shared)
>  authz_dbm_module (shared)
>  authz_owner_module (shared)
>  authz_default_module (shared)
>  auth_basic_module (shared)
>  auth_digest_module (shared)
>  dbd_module (shared)
>  dumpio_module (shared)
>  reqtimeout_module (shared)
>  ext_filter_module (shared)
>  include_module (shared)
>  filter_module (shared)
>  substitute_module (shared)
>  deflate_module (shared)
>  log_config_module (shared)
>  log_forensic_module (shared)
>  logio_module (shared)
>  env_module (shared)
>  mime_magic_module (shared)
>  cern_meta_module (shared)
>  expires_module (shared)
>  headers_module (shared)
>  ident_module (shared)
>  usertrack_module (shared)
>  unique_id_module (shared)
>  setenvif_module (shared)
>  version_module (shared)
>  mime_module (shared)
>  dav_module (shared)
>  status_module (shared)
>  autoindex_module (shared)
>  asis_module (shared)
>  info_module (shared)
>  cgid_module (shared)
>  dav_fs_module (shared)
>  vhost_alias_module (shared)
>  negotiation_module (shared)
>  dir_module (shared)
>  imagemap_module (shared)
>  actions_module (shared)
>  speling_module (shared)
>  userdir_module (shared)
>  alias_module (shared)
>  rewrite_module (shared)
> Syntax OK
>
> which is the result of:
>  ./configure --enable-layout=AIX --with-mpm=worker --enable-mods-shared=all
>
> It is what I "expected", so where am I going wrong?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Jeff Trawick <trawick@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Michael Felt <mamfelt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Well, ..., removed external apr, just to be sure it was "the same as
>> > before"
>> >
>> > For simplicity, I am thinking of MPM as multi-threaded versus
>> > single-threaded. If that is correct, on AIX I am seeing multi-threaded
>> > "pre-fork" behavior.
>>
>> Basically: The prefork MPM has single-threaded child processes; the
>> worker MPM has multi-threaded child processes.
>>
>> > ===
>> > root@x105:[/]apachectl -l
>> > Compiled in modules:
>> >   core.c
>> >   worker.c
>>
>> With "--enable-mpms-shared=all" you should not see prefork.c or
>> worker.c (or any MPM) in this list.  Something is going wrong at
>> configure time.
>>
>>
>> >   http_core.c
>> >   mod_so.c
>> > ===
>> > root@x105:[/]ps -G 202 -mo THREAD
>> >     USER    PID   PPID      TID ST  CP PRI SC    WCHAN        F     TT
>> > BND
>> > COMMAND
>> >   daemon 299078 458806        - A    0  60 28        *    40001      -
>> > -
>> > /opt/httpd/sbin/httpd -k start
>> >        -      -      -   524427 S    0  60  1 f100070f10008040  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   647261 S    0  60  1 f100070f10009e40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   667799 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000a340  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   671983 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000a440  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   680117 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000a640  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   684109 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000a740  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   749707 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000b740  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   888971 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000d940  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   905243 Z    0  60  1        -   c00001      -
>> > - -
>> >        -      -      -   970855 S    0  60  1 f100010012c4ffb8   410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   999669 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000f440  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1003655 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000f540  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1044605 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000ff40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1069255 S    0  60  1 f100070f10010540  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1101951 S    0  60  1 f100070f10010d40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1204243 S    0  60  1 f100070f10012640  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1233133 S    0  60  1 f100070f10012d40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1245225 S    0  60  1 f100070f10013040  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1249349 S    0  60  1 f100070f10013140  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1261619 S    0  60  1 f100070f10013440  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1278023 S    0  60  1 f100070f10013840  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1294395 S    0  60  1 f100070f10013c40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1319117 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014240  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1323147 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014340  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1331321 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014540  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1355913 S    0  60  1 f100060000ebca08   400400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1368225 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014e40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1409275 S    0  60  1 f100070f10015840  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >   daemon 491756 458806        - A    0  60  1 f100060000e91208    40401
>> > -   - /opt/httpd/sbin/httpd -k start
>> >        -      -      -   839725 S    0  60  1 f100060000e91208   400400
>> > -   - -
>> >   daemon 565316 458806        - A    0  60 28        *    40001      -
>> > -
>> > /opt/httpd/sbin/httpd -k start
>> >        -      -      -   504043 S    0  60  1 f100070f10007b40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   512187 S    0  60  1 f100070f10007d40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   659535 Z    0  60  1        -   c00001      -
>> > - -
>> >        -      -      -   729261 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000b240  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   733431 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000b340  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   753851 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000b840  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   925923 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000e240  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   929947 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000e340  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   938061 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000e540  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -   975039 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000ee40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1007673 S    0  60  1 f100060000ebca08   400400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1040579 S    0  60  1 f100070f1000fe40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1073265 S    0  60  1 f100070f10010640  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1126419 S    0  60  1 f100070f10011340  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1171705 S    0  60  1 f100070f10011e40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1183967 S    0  60  1 f100070f10012140  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1192149 S    0  60  1 f100070f10012340  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1228911 S    0  60  1 f100070f10012c40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1237123 S    0  60  1 f100070f10012e40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1257713 S    0  60  1 f100010012c4ffb8   410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1310959 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014040  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1339473 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014740  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1343615 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014840  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1347699 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014940  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1364159 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014d40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1372165 S    0  60  1 f100070f10014f40  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1376461 S    0  60  1 f100070f10015040  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> >        -      -      -  1396845 S    0  60  1 f100070f10015540  8410400
>> > -   - -
>> > root@x105:[/]
>> > ====
>> > In the listing above, the PID numbers are the even numbers (processes)
>> > while
>> > the column TID (thread ID) are all odd. Threads are indented and "under"
>> > the
>> > process.
>> >
>> > Only "changes" were creation of a group daemon (id = 202, hence ps -G
>> > 202),
>> > and activating the extra/httpd-mpm.conf file via /etc/httpd/httpd.conf.
>> >
>> > So, even though I do not see any files named *mpm*.so I would think that
>> > this shows that AIX it is "worker" and not pre-fork.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Jeff Trawick <trawick@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Michael Felt <mamfelt@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Well, just slightly confused.
>> >> > On my system I have "tested" in as much as I can https://hostname and
>> >> > it
>> >> > says "It works!".
>> >> > What I need some assistence with perhaps is determeing which "mpm"
>> >> > binary
>> >> > was built, as I am only building one with 2.2.22 at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Look in your modules directory for *mpm*.so to see what was
>> >> built+installed.
>> >>
>> >> Look in your httpd.conf to see which of those available MPMs is loaded
>> >> via LoadModule.
>> >>
>> >> (I think you'll find that prefork and worker are built for AIX, and
>> >> worker is the one loaded by default.)
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > re: Having only one script - I am not surprised there must be more
>> >> > than
>> >> > one,
>> >> > but I hoped :)
>> >> > There are actually two scripts - one that does the
>> >> > configure/make/make
>> >> > install, and one that creates the
>> >> > template needed to make the package.
>> >> >
>> >> > FYI: I am working on getting a build for a svn client as well. AND -
>> >> > I
>> >> > am
>> >> > doing these things because I am very tired of having to download 10
>> >> > to
>> >> > 20
>> >> > .rpm packages, each with moving dependancies it seems, in order to
>> >> > install
>> >> > something that is supposed readily available. In short, I am trying
>> >> > to
>> >> > make
>> >> > some packages that just 'install' with saying - you need this too,
>> >> > and
>> >> > then
>> >> > when you install that - it says and I need this first, etc etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > In a word, boring.
>> >> >
>> >> > FYI: current tools (IBM and others) use /opt/freeware as their main
>> >> > installation area - so I am opting for /opt/* (no freeware in the
>> >> > name)
>> >> > for
>> >> > packages like coreutils, libz, pcre, apr, apr-util, etc. and
>> >> > applications
>> >> > (packaging) such as httpd and svn in /opt/httpd, /opt/svn. With your
>> >> > wealth
>> >> > of prior experience - if you see a trap I am setting for myself,
>> >> > please
>> >> > warn
>> >> > me - and better - lead me to safety.
>> >> >
>> >> > regards, Michael
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Trawick <trawick@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Michael Felt <mamfelt@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Well, it was building "something". I'll try the proposed change
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > make
>> >> >> > sure it is still giving me "all" the mods.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> yeah, that was the idea...  thanks!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > FYI - I have added --enable-ssl (so that the same script works for
>> >> >> > both
>> >> >> > 2.2.22 and 2.4.0 which have different ideas of "all".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As Graham mentioned, expect to have different scripts for different
>> >> >> releases and do the right thing for each release.  It isn't a good
>> >> >> thing if people who play with  configure more often but might not
>> >> >> know
>> >> >> the ancient history stare at the script and wonder about the odd
>> >> >> choice of arguments.  (I happen to remember about the
>> >> >> AIX/--enable-so
>> >> >> issue from long ago, but that needs to die.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > And I hope configure will still leave AIX modules as shared (as it
>> >> >> > used
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > make them all static by default - long ago).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If it doesn't build them shared using the appropriate configure
>> >> >> args,
>> >> >> that's what needs to be fixed.  (Most people won't use this script.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I shall try both 2.4.0 and 2.2.22 (without --enable-ssl) - and I
>> >> >> > am
>> >> >> > continuing to work towards to havin g APR external to httpd.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Jeff Trawick <trawick@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The buildaix.ksh script committed recently had some outdated
>> >> >> >> options
>> >> >> >> or requirements, and didn't build loadable MPMs.  Suggested
>> >> >> >> changes
>> >> >> >> are below.  Do or do not fold, spindle, or mutilate; commit with
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> without testing; etc.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Index: build/aix/buildaix.ksh
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ===================================================================
>> >> >> >> --- build/aix/buildaix.ksh      (revision 1241549)
>> >> >> >> +++ build/aix/buildaix.ksh      (working copy)
>> >> >> >> @@ -30,11 +30,7 @@
>> >> >> >>  > nohup.out
>> >> >> >>  ./configure \
>> >> >> >>         --enable-layout=$LAYOUT \
>> >> >> >> -       --enable-module=so \
>> >> >> >> -       --enable-proxy \
>> >> >> >> -       --enable-cache \
>> >> >> >> -       --enable-disk-cache \
>> >> >> >> -       --with-mpm=worker \
>> >> >> >> +       --enable-mpms-shared=all \
>> >> >> >>         --enable-mods-shared=all | tee nohup.out
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>  make | tee -a nohup.out
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Born in Roswell... married an alien...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Born in Roswell... married an alien...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Born in Roswell... married an alien...
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Born in Roswell... married an alien...
>
>



--
Born in Roswell... married an alien...