Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92CDC74F9 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 83611 invoked by uid 500); 3 Dec 2011 22:29:17 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 83554 invoked by uid 500); 3 Dec 2011 22:29:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@httpd.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dev@httpd.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 83545 invoked by uid 99); 3 Dec 2011 22:29:17 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:29:17 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [173.201.192.237] (HELO p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) (173.201.192.237) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:29:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 24783 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2011 22:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.252.112.72) by p3plsmtpa07-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.237) with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2011 22:28:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4EDAA288.4020009@rowe-clan.net> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 16:28:24 -0600 From: "William A. Rowe Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Re: Are we there yet? References: <201112030048.19359.sf@sfritsch.de> <4ED9D076.4060604@gknw.net> In-Reply-To: <4ED9D076.4060604@gknw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 12/3/2011 1:32 AM, Gregg L. Smith wrote: > On 12/2/2011 3:48 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: >> - the follwing modules added since 2.2 lack documentation > >> - mod_socache_dbm >> - mod_socache_memcache >> - mod_socache_shmcb > > These are required for SSL AFIAK, they must stay! Mentioned in the mod_ssl docks should be > sufficient IMHO. It isn't. Someone trimming their LoadModule lines will undoubtedly hit the wall trying to figure out why they couldn't just switch from memcache or dbm back to shmcb. Someone else will break there server simply removing unfamiliar modules from the list, particularly one which appears nowhere in the ASF HTTP Server module documents lists. This, and the mod_slotmem_* objects, really make lousy modules. I can understand wanting to extend socache and slotmem into much more complex or experimental backend stores. Extensibility is good. But for the time being, and for this fundamental set... can we please trash all 6 "modules" and add the code into core? It seems to me that even apreq extensions are in a more usable, documented state than these... and we refuse to incorporate it. I think we got things backwards. Bill