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From Rich Bowen <>
Subject Re: Some ramblings on httpd config
Date Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:06:23 GMT

On Jun 3, 2009, at 14:09, Joachim Zobel wrote:

> Am Mittwoch, den 03.06.2009, 11:08 -0400 schrieb Akins, Brian:
>> It would be interesting if we ditched the current configuration
>> system and just used lua.
> This does IMHO not address any of the problems users usually have and
> that are mainly due to a lack of validation.
> See
> for what I consider a good description of the current problems.

That presentation was at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I like to  
flatter myself that it spurred some real changes, and some of the  
stuff mentioned in there has since been fixed.

Having said that, I'm torn on this mod_lua thing. Yes, obviously, it  
would improve the flexibility of the configuration, but, having spent  
10+ years doing end-user support on the mailing list and on IRC, I can  
tell you that our users are not ready to have to learn a programming  
language in order to configure their virtual hosts. We would see a  
mass exodus of our user base, or, more probably, a complete refusal to  
move off of 2.2. This would be a huge shame, with so many awesome new  
things just about to see the light of day.

On the other hand, our current vhost configuration syntax makes me  
want to kick puppies, and any solution that makes mod_rewrite  
unnecessary has my strong support.

The <If> directive, along with better documentation, would solve 50%  
of what people use mod_rewrite for. A less painful way to configure  
dynamic virtual hosts would solve another 15%. And a healthy dose of  
education about all the gross misconceptions called "SEO" would solve  
the rest.

Yes, we need some kind of macro thingy in the configuration. And while  
I think that most of us reading this email thread can handle that  
thingy being Lua, I honestly don't believe that the folks over on the  
users@ list can, unless it's something that can be embedded into  
existing configurations, rather than being the entirety of the  

Happiness isn't something you experience; it's something you remember.
Oscar Levant

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