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From "Steffen" <>
Subject Re: Goodbye
Date Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:40:09 GMT
There is a lot changing in the open-source world.  I've seen  a similar
discussion with MySQL, although not as painful as the  issues we have now.
It seems that MySQL is now releasing "Enterprise"  versions frequently and
"Community" versions infrequently.

I guess the Apache Foundation is now also starting to act more corporate and
less community-oriented.  Sad, but we live in a changing world and this
legalistic-corporate-nasty trend is likely to continue for a while.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Jagielski" <>
To: <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Sunday, 19 August, 2007 18:24
Subject: Re: Goodbye

> Steffen wrote:
>> The admonishment not to use the feather or the "Apache" name resembles
>> the
>> behavior of the very worst big-software corporations - and a  reminder
>> that
>> ASF is after all "... a corporation registered in  Delaware, United
>> States..." - not a fellowship of web server  administrators, developers,
>> and
>> enthusiasts.  It is a sober reminder to  us all that caution is needed
>> when
>> dealing with Apache software as with  any other software, lest we forget
>> that httpd has become "their product"  vs. "our web server".
> That is really unfair, I think... Notwithstanding the fact whether
> or not this issue could have been handled better, are you
> really suggesting that the ASF seeking to protect its name,
> reputation, brand and trademarks are somehow Not Good? The ASF
> and the user and developer community have worked long and hard
> in making the name Apache *mean something*. This reputation
> was hard yet well earned. The ASF exists to allow the projects
> to continue doing what they do, and doing it well, without having
> to worry about such troublesome but real world issues such as
> trademarks and things like that... The Apache brand carries a
> lot of weight and respect, and it would be a serious disservice
> to the users and developers to not protect that brand.
> No matter what you may be implying, the ASF does not control
> the Apache web server project (httpd) or any other project:
> the PMCs and the community do that. It is, and always will remain
> "our project" (our being the user and developer community).
> -- 
> ===========================================================================
>   Jim Jagielski   [|]   [|]
>     "If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball."

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