Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 15441 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 16:26:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 92398 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jul 2006 16:26:47 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 92345 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jul 2006 16:26:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@httpd.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dev@httpd.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 92333 invoked by uid 99); 31 Jul 2006 16:26:47 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:26:47 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of minfrin@sharp.fm designates 64.49.220.200 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.49.220.200] (HELO chandler.sharp.fm) (64.49.220.200) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:26:46 -0700 Received: from chandler.sharp.fm (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chandler.sharp.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6153EE5CB5 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from www.sharp.fm (unknown [209.61.173.189]) by chandler.sharp.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F57CE5344; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 196.8.104.31 (SquirrelMail authenticated user minfrin@sharp.fm) by www.sharp.fm with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:26:26 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <44829.196.8.104.31.1154363186.squirrel@www.sharp.fm> In-Reply-To: <1154362594.7894.66.camel@cal.cotef.org> References: <65FEF6CD-73FC-4427-9940-D552FB458688@jaguNET.com> <1154356149.7894.39.camel@cal.cotef.org> <47512.196.8.104.31.1154357647.squirrel@www.sharp.fm> <1154360559.7894.53.camel@cal.cotef.org> <33199.196.8.104.31.1154361785.squirrel@www.sharp.fm> <1154362594.7894.66.camel@cal.cotef.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:26:26 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: load balancer "cluster" set From: "Graham Leggett" To: dev@httpd.apache.org Cc: dev@httpd.apache.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6-7.el4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, July 31, 2006 6:16 pm, Guy Hulbert wrote: >> At the network layer, your metrics are pretty much "volume of data" or > > Nope. > > Routers can look at anything in the packets which is not encrypted. > They can also measure server response (by packet stats) directly or via > SNMP. There are all sorts of things that *cannot* be done on the server > without introducing all sorts of p2p communications requirements. I'm sure they can. This doesn't make them the right solution for all cases. In a multi tier architecture, you already have front end servers implementing URL strategies, common logging, all sorts of other things. Adding an extra router layer to handle load balancing, when your already existing frontend can do this job is not only extra cost, but extra complexity and an additional point of failure. Regards, Graham --