Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 84443 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 19:45:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 19:45:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 5083 invoked by uid 500); 5 Apr 2005 19:45:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 5036 invoked by uid 500); 5 Apr 2005 19:45:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@httpd.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dev@httpd.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 5021 invoked by uid 99); 5 Apr 2005 19:45:39 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from suntzu.lyra.org (HELO suntzu.lyra.org) (198.144.203.208) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:45:38 -0700 Received: from suntzu.lyra.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by suntzu.lyra.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j35JZRra017439 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:35:27 -0700 Received: (from gstein@localhost) by suntzu.lyra.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j35JZRRD017437 for dev@httpd.apache.org; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:35:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: suntzu.lyra.org: gstein set sender to gstein@lyra.org using -f Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:35:27 -0700 From: Greg Stein To: dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Re: simple-conf branch Message-ID: <20050405193527.GA17108@lyra.org> Mail-Followup-To: dev@httpd.apache.org References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050404130215.051861e0@pop3.rowe-clan.net> <20050404220134.GC14955@lyra.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-URL: http://www.lyra.org/greg/ X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 08:38:44AM -0400, Paul A. Houle wrote: >... > There are good operational reasons to split up configuration in > different files -- if the Apache install can encourage good practices, > based on the decade of experience we've had with it, that's a good thing. You have a complex series of sites and a deep understanding of configuration and sysadmin issues to keep it manageable. For somebody *new* to this, they need the utmost simplicity. Even a strong sysadmin needs something simple so they can figure out what they're working with and then blend that into their environment. If we shipped a setup similar to yours, most people would cry with frustration trying to figure out where to turn this or that knob. Documentation to help people with configuration issues and ideas can easily be provided for admins who have moved past the "single static file website". We already have a lot of documentation. Admittedly, it doesn't describe scenarios like yours, but I'll venture to guess that you're in the few-percent case. I'm more than happy to have our doc folks concentrating on the other 97% :-) Cheers, -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/