Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 15992 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2004 16:45:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 14 Dec 2004 16:45:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 42771 invoked by uid 500); 14 Dec 2004 16:17:00 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-httpd-dev-archive@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 36115 invoked by uid 500); 14 Dec 2004 16:14:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@httpd.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dev@httpd.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@httpd.apache.org Received: (qmail 28982 invoked by uid 99); 14 Dec 2004 16:11:57 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from netspace.org (HELO netspace.org) (64.61.61.206) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:11:54 -0800 Received: from netspace.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by netspace.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBEGAmPl032575 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:10:48 -0500 Received: (from gs@localhost) by netspace.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBEGAmPQ032572 for dev@httpd.apache.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:10:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:10:48 -0500 From: Glenn Strauss To: dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] fixing broken gnu ld (mis)detection problem Message-ID: <20041214161048.GB28398@netspace.org> References: <20041207204435.GA2449@nibiru.borg.metux.de> <20041207205307.GB2449@nibiru.borg.metux.de> <20041213042902.GB15811@nibiru.borg.metux.de> <41BD4682.8070109@force-elite.com> <20041213082040.GO15811@nibiru.borg.metux.de> <20041213140848.GB28041@quartz.newn.cam.ac.uk> <6.2.0.14.2.20041214031839.067f1670@pop3.rowe-clan.net> <20041214093336.GD22974@scotch.ics.uci.edu> <6.2.0.14.2.20041214035113.04c307b8@pop3.rowe-clan.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20041214035113.04c307b8@pop3.rowe-clan.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:58:42AM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > I would like to see ALOT of feedback to current-testers or dev > or even apache-modules of the alpha before declaring first beta. > Once beta - we should be very adverse to API changes - our module > authors will want to fix once and be done. Or should we just > trash the idea of alphas since not enough people are testing? > Heck, while we are at it, lets just declare it GA. > > The alpha better work for a good number of folks before we go > to beta. Then ya - as you say, the oddball kernel/distro issues > will start popping up and be fixed pretty easily before GA. A brief reminder of what Paul brought up, and I agree with: Corporate project managers need a better sense of the release schedule before they build test-time into their schedules. I am not asking for hard-and-fast release dates, because httpd is released when it is ready and not on artificial deadlines. A completely open-ended release date -- as is currently the case -- is all but ignored by project managers. Why spend time testing something that is not going to be released for maybe another year and will probably change immensely between now and then? However, if releases were aimed for every, say, 6 months, with a tag and semi-freeze two months prior, then I think we would see a lot more testing by corporate users (who aren't already very involved in this list) on those tags. Cheers, Glenn