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From "William A. Rowe, Jr." <>
Subject Re: [PATCH] fixing broken gnu ld (mis)detection problem
Date Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:58:42 GMT
At 03:33 AM 12/14/2004, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
>On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:20:26AM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>> Seriously, we could target only latest-n-greatest, but that 
>> goes against the grain of many participants.
>I think we should be much stricter for the releases we make and rather
>leninent at buildconf-time.
>I think Joe's proposed bumping up to a mandatory autoconf 2.5x (for everyone)
>because we keep getting nailed on autoconf 2.13 bugs.  That's goodness.

+1 for the RM to use latest and greatest 2.5.x.

-1 veto for a 2.0.x release to require autoconf 2.5.x for these
users who are trying to do a minor upgrade, if they are doing their
own autoconf 2.13 config.

>And, I think we should enforce libtool 1.5.10 for any future 
>release that we produce (i.e. in httpd-dist/tools/
>If a developer has anything above libtool 1.3, it'll work (for 
>some definition of 'work') - but they're on their own if they run 
>into problems.

This is open source, if it breaks they get both parts.  This is
no different.  HOWEVER - I'm -1 veto on any config changes that
require such 'recent' versions.  Suggesting this is the best
version to use is sufficient.

>Of course, if we posted 2.1.2 as a 'public' beta, then we could 
>start to get feedback if the ac2.59/lt1.5.10 combo breaks anyone.

Yup - and getting stronger -0.5 sense that we want to gunnie pig
our users with our problems this early.

I would like to see ALOT of feedback to current-testers or dev
or even apache-modules of the alpha before declaring first beta.
Once beta - we should be very adverse to API changes - our module
authors will want to fix once and be done.  Or should we just
trash the idea of alphas since not enough people are testing?
Heck, while we are at it, lets just declare it GA.

The alpha better work for a good number of folks before we go
to beta.  Then ya - as you say, the oddball kernel/distro issues
will start popping up and be fixed pretty easily before GA.


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