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From Aaron Bannert <>
Subject Re: Apache 1.3.31 RC Tarballs available
Date Sat, 08 May 2004 02:26:04 GMT
I believe that a strict QA process actually hurts the quality
of OSS projects like Apache. We have a gigantic pool of
talented users who would love to give us a hand by testing
our latest and greatest in every contorted way imaginable.
But we're holding out on them. We're saying that we know
better than they do. I don't think we do. Sure, we should be
testing our code, but there's absolutely no way that we can
be perfect. Closely held ivory-tower QA doesn't scale any
better at the ASF than it does at a proprietary company. But
the QA that comes out of widely distributed release-candidates
_does_ scale. Why don't we let the teeming masses have their


On May 7, 2004, at 6:40 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:

> The trouble is that we need to perform *some* sort of quality
> control out there... The option is as soon as we have a tarball
> out, it's "immediately" released, in which case why even bother
> with a test or RC candidate. We need to, IMO, impose some
> sort of order and process on how we release s/w, and the simple
> fact that we have RC tarballs out there doesn't cut it.
> It's certainly a problem that we've had for some time, especially
> when you consider the times when releases are really security
> related... I would hate having some sort of "private" release
> mailing list where we can really test RC tarballs in a
> semi secure environment before they are released in general,
> but I can't see us simply saying our release procedure is
> we throw a tarball out there and 2-3 days after we do that
> we "Announce" it :)
> Aaron Bannert wrote:
>> Why is it bad if people download the RC version and
>> test it? Frankly, I really don't mind if slashdot or anyone
>> else broadcasts that we have an RC tarball available.
>> If anything it's a good thing. We don't make any guarantees
>> about our code anyway, so whether or not we call it a GA
>> release is just a courtesy to our users. Sheesh, this just
>> seems like we're turning down would-be beta-testers!
>> Please put the tarballs back up, and please ignore the press.
>> -aaron
>> On May 7, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>> I have made the tarballs unavailable from the below URL. People
>>> should contact me directly to obtain the correct URL...
>>> Sander Temme wrote:
>>>> On May 7, 2004, at 8:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>>>> Via:
>>>>> I'd like to announce and release the 11th.
>>>> Except Slashdot beat you to the punch:  
>>>> <>.
> --  
> ======================================================================= 
> ====
>    Jim Jagielski   [|]   [|]    
>       "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order
>              will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson

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