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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: 2.1 Fallout; httpd v.s. httpd-2.0
Date Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:31:12 GMT
Unfortunately, I didn't see Bill's orig, so I must followup to

As you see, we are not saying anything different here, at least
only in degrees. I think the only concern that anyone is stating
is one that the 2.0 tree will remain in the state that it is
and that only the 2.1 tree will see development. Certainly
that's a valid concern for anyone to have, developer or user.

Also, I don't think anyone is "upset" about the branching at
all, certainly I think consensus was reached. It makes sense
for the exact reason everyone is talking about: stability vs.

As far as "venting" about 1.3... I'm not sure who (if anyone)
that's directed to.  But it gets close into degrading a simple
discussion (that affects HTTPd developers/users/community) into
someplace I don't think we want to go.

At 5:03 PM +0000 11/25/02, David Reid wrote:
>Reading emails like this remind me of the days when I really wonder why
>anyone would ever want to participate in the project... sigh...
> >
>> Nope.  Folks have asked that 2.0 stop being a sandbox for those next cool
>> features and that we get 2.0 code working.  However, folks want to proceed
>> with the next cool features.  Why ask them to quit it?
>> Since most of the active committers, (first in terms of applying their own
>> and others' bug fixes, and secondly still participants in the project)
>> expressed content with having a separate stable tree and a sandbox for
>> continued work, and a vote was conducted for a month with not so much
>> as a -0, I won't be too frustrated when folks start rehashing the decision
>> for the next year.  You may as well also start venting over how poor the
>> old 1.3 is doing (but don't go fixing it, that would take away all the fun
>> of griping about it :-)
>> Which takes us to the question raised by the three of you.  It's Apache.
>> You scratch Your own itch.  If that's maintenance (as Jeff, myself, and
>> many others including yourselves keep persisting in) then that's cool.
>> If that itch is new development, such as auth refactoring, async overhaul
>> or factoring out the filesystem, then that's cool too.
>> Participate how you like; that's the point of *this* Apache project.  Even
> > the backseat drivers are welcome here :-)
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >

   Jim Jagielski   [|]   [|]
      "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order
             will lose both and deserve neither" - T.Jefferson

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