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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:04:30 +0200
From: Harrie Hazewinkel <harrie@lisanza.net>
To: dev@httpd.apache.org, dev@apr.apache.org
cc: Greg Stein <gstein@lyra.org>, john@sterls.com
Subject: Re: E-Kabong resolution:  Re: acceptance of El-Kabong into APR
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Hi,

Comment inline on 2 emails.

--On Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:55 PM -0700 Jon Travis 
<jtravis@covalent.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 07:45:21PM +0000, Jeff Trawick wrote:
>> While we believe that the El-Kabong codebase is a valuable contribution
>> that we would like to pick up, we also recognize the possibility that
>> you may have a decreased incentive to work on it further if you are
>> initially denied commit access to the repository when it moves to the
>> ASF.  If this is the case, we understand that it may be best for the
>> codebase to live elsewhere if it would be harmed by a lack of
>> contributions from its original author, and we look to you for further
>> guidance on this issue.

Does the ASF relaize what a situation this creates?? IMHO, it will mean
that anyone in the future who does not already have commit access will
not donate a code component. That is a situation which is not beneficial
for the ASF, unless they do not want any extra code.
Accepting code and denying the donater access to it, the idea alone.

Now maybe some solution. However, I am not that much of an expert
in CVS. Can Jon not get commit access in the the apr/html/el-kabong
section only?? I guess, this can be done with the CVSROOT/avail file.


--On Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:42 PM -0700 Greg Stein 
<gstein@lyra.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 09:52:56PM -0400, John K. Sterling wrote:
>
>> I am generally a blind supporter of the apache group - I have a lot of
>> respect for many members and contributors.  But I am surprised by the
>> group in this case.  Jon Travis has been submitting critical patches
>> for a few years (I believe it was one of his patches that provided MPM
>> querying a couple of years ago).  He has been involved far longer, and
>> has far better public qualifications than many of the folks who already
>> have commit access.  To look at a this piece of code (on top of all of
>> the apache/apr submissions over the years) and say he hasn't proven
>> himself is a ridiculous thing to say.....  is this all over the title
>> of a proposed apachecon talk (why apache sukks)?  or some other
>> personal vendettas?
>
> Your points about Jon's contributions are all absolutely true. I agree.
> But commit access is not a simple, "wow. great code. give him commit
> privs."

Therefore, can someone of the ASF

>
> Suffice it to say that this issue is quite a bit more complex than that,
> thus the reason it took a while to reach some kind of conclusion. There
> are way too many people involved (between the httpd and apr PMCs and the
> board) for this to be about any individual's issues. It is more than that
> (internal issues, and in regards to E-K and Jon), and it would be
> inappropriate for a public discussion, which is why it wasn't.
>
> The ASF has a responsibility towards the community. And a lot of us feel
> very strongly about that. However, that also means there are different
> views on how to express and act on that responsibility. Sometimes, things
> just aren't so easy...

Does this then also apply for the ASF members themselves??

Harrie