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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: Splitting APR from Apache.
Date Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:53:13 GMT
[ we had an offline discussion, but I'll respond here... ]

Doing the split sooner rather than later will help APR users. It will also
help us with Apache development because we'll have time to settle out issues
around the split. Just consider some of the problems with the htdocs split.

I'd rather see a split with add'l commit access provided on the APR
repository. I'm kind of -0 on commit access to apache-2.0, even though
logically it would be okay (we *are* adults here, and a simple advisory to
the committers to say "apr only" would be fine).

Asking non-httpd people to follow is just an exercise
in futility. There is simply too much unrelated traffic here to ask somebody
to wade through it.

I also believe that APR and its release schedule is independent of Apache.
Right now, we could actually call APR "beta" and do a release. In fact,
there is an argument that making a final 1.0 release of APR *soon* would be
a Good Thing. If people start to use it for whatever, and then provide
feedback for APR, then we could release Apache on a more stable APR (e.g.
target APR 1.0.2, or whatever, for our Apache 2.0 release).

+1 on splitting "soon" (for whatever definition of "soon" you'd like to use)


On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 12:00:47PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> I'm +1 conceptually... this is the right answer.
> Until we push to 2.0b1(?) we shouldn't tag out APR 1.0b1 - but I believe on
> that
> day this is an ideal proposal.  I'm +1 on giving subversion APR coders
> access to
> httpd to post fixes till then, if necessary (as long as they follow the
> new-httpd list).
> APR is still moving a bit fast to set it apart just yet, IMHO.
> Let's split APR as an independent cross-team library with it's own lists...
> but I'm
> -0 on this till immediately prior to rolling 2.0b1.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Cc: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:12 AM
> Subject: Splitting APR from Apache.
> >
> > Some people at ApacheCon have heard me ask this already, but I want to be
> > very public about this, so I am asking here as well.  I would like to
> > split APR out of the Apache HTTPD project.  Obviously, this would still be
> > an ASF project, but it would be its own project, and it would have to
> > succeed or fail on its own.
> >
> > I believe that APR is stable enough to stand on it's own now.  There is
> > also the fact that subversion is using APR, and it shouldn't have to go
> > throught new-httpd to talk about APR.  There should be a separate APR web
> > page, bug DB, and mailing list.
> >
> > Are there any thoughts about this?  I have some thoughts about how to give
> > out commit access to APR to begin with.  My basic thought is that I don't
> > want to weight the APR development list with HTTP specific people, but I
> > also don't want to limit the people who have commit access.
> >
> > My basic thought is that commit access starts with nobody having
> > access.  Anybody who currently has commit access to Apache, is free to ask
> > for APR commit access, and they will be given it.  This is not a one time
> > offer.  This offer will also be available to everybody who has commit
> > access to subversion.
> >
> > I would ask that people are patient.  I don't expect anything to happen
> > with this until ApacheCon is over and we all have time to work on
> > this.  Also, my commit access idea is just that, an idea.  I am perfectly
> > open to other suggestions for how to migrate this to it's own
> > project.
> >
> > Finally, once we have APR as it's own project, all of the people with
> > commit access will of course have equal input to determine how commit
> > access is given out in the future.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> >
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> >

Greg Stein,

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