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From Chuck Murcko <ch...@topsail.org>
Subject Re: [esr@thyrsus.com: Re: [Python-Dev] zlib not compiled by default]
Date Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:48:14 GMT
This thread's definitely hit the twilight zone.

Frankly, though, I don't believe it's Eric's job to tell me what my job
is. 8^)

Greg Stein wrote:
> 
> Oy... I think that I've just hit the twilight zone. Speaking of including
> other libraries in Apache -- the same issue is occurring over in the Python
> core development list.
> 
> Here is a great comment from Eric. It talks about *purpose* -- what are we
> trying to accomplish. Moshe's motivation is also a nice point.
> 
> Cheers,
> -g
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com> -----
> 
> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:32:20 -0400
> From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
> To: Moshe Zadka <moshez@math.huji.ac.il>
> Cc: Jeremy Hylton <jeremy@beopen.com>,
>         "Python-Dev@Python. Org" <python-dev@python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] zlib not compiled by default
> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com
> 
> Moshe Zadka <moshez@math.huji.ac.il>:
> > I'm currently drawing a list for extensions to include:
> >
> >  -- zlib
> >  -- Tcl/Tk
> >  -- expat
> >  -- PIL
> >  -- Anything else?
> >
> > I really want something with "everything" in it.
> >
> > My motivation: I work on quite a few Unixes at work (AIX, Solaris, HP and
> > probably more to come). Installing Python on any of these is a pain --
> > exactly because of the need to download 5-6 packages, and install them
> > iteratively.
> 
> I'm with Moshe on this one -- and I'll go further: I think the `rich'
> distribution ought to be the default mode, and would be willing to take
> on substantial work to help it happen.
> 
> I agree with his choice of initial modules, too, and would certainly
> add ncurses, and would be sorely tempted to add libpng.
> 
> Moshe's desire is a logical consequence of the "batteries are
> included" philosophy which is one of Python's central strengths.  A
> good language *ought* to guarantee all its developers and users
> fuss-free access to a rich kit of state-of-the-art open source tools
> and libraries.  If this means taking on the complexities of tracking
> several auxiliary libraries and making sure there is a consistent
> Python API to them as they evolve, so be it.
> 
> That's our job, gentlemen.
> --
>                 <a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr">Eric S. Raymond</a>
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>         -- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
> 
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> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> --
> Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/

-- 
Chuck
Chuck Murcko
Topsail Group
chuck@topsail.org

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