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From "Peter J. Cranstone" <>
Subject RE: Apache 164 percent speed increase
Date Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:00:22 GMT

Two sycophants... I'm going to follow your advice, " I'm not going to play".

Ok here's the scoop.

We've figured out how to improve the performance of your (the Apache group)
Apache web server. We use your own ab benchmarks to prove out point. We
detail the equipment we used to complete the test. We follow all applicable
RFC's and are totally 100% HTTP 1.x compliant.

That's it. Plain and simple. I don't really care what people think of us, I
care about what people think of our code. It either works or it doesn't
work. We are not offering our product on this forum we are showing people
what we have achieved.

I've followed this forum for over a year now. I've seen language that school
children aren't allowed to use, I've seen all kinds of things which I think
should take place elsewhere. But you know what, every so often I learn
something useful and for that I am grateful. People know my email address,
our web site is open, I welcome comments, but if this is a meeting of peers,
then I expect some respect for a viable solution. I welcome a test from some
one else. Our stats are up, does anyone care about speed or bandwidth on
this forum?

Bottom line. Apache runs much faster and is more efficient with compression
technology. If you don't care about this say so. But everyday I see a new
statistic which talks about dwindling market share, about how Zeus and Boa
out perform Apache and how MS is making inroads. I would have thought people
would welcome a simple solution which provides an speed improvement to an
Apache server.

We've now set the benchmark for real time on the fly compression, your
welcome to ignore it... but it has been set.
One final point. You indicate that this forum is not a forum for promotion
of proprietary commercial offerings. This message just appeared. "Hi, IBM
has created a complete web-based configuration tool for our Apache-based
server, the IBM HTTP Server. It's free and its available at
Our Apache-based server, which is now called the IBM HTTP server... what is
this... Free commercial offering based on your hard work on Apache. Trust me
the product is free but support is another matter.


Peter J. Cranstone

-----Original Message-----
From: []On
Behalf Of Brian Behlendorf
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Apache 164 percent speed increase

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 wrote:
> In a message dated 99-10-13 03:53:59 EDT, you write:
> > "Sometimes the best move is .... not to play" - W.O.P.R., "Wargames"
> >
> >   Brian
> Hmmm... 'not to play'...
> Sounds like the current attitude towards compressing
> content and saving time, money and bandwidth.

Thank you for proving my point.

Alright, I've had it with you two.  You can keep stammering around like
two sycophants on a mission from God to save us from the evils of
uncompressed data, or you can learn to talk to us as peers and engage in
conversation.  It's hard for me to imagine in what parallel universe
using ALL CAPS and being verbally abusive towards your peers actually
produces results.  This is not a contest, you do not get points for
winning an argument.  And most of all, this is not a forum for
promotion of proprietary commercial offerings.

If I were you I'd be embarrassed.


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