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From Dean Gaudet <>
Subject Re: Apache In The News: Latest PC Week Article
Date Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:28:33 GMT
Yup that's one of my motivations for the flow stuff...  (but I want to do
something that helps real world sites too).


On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Ian Kallen wrote:

> Temporarily delurking here...
> I did some benchmarking recently and was surprised at how high IIS and
> Enterprise Server came out.  Just like MS and Sun torque their JVM's to do
> well on the CaffeineMark benchmarks, I suspect they similarly optimize to
> handle the extremely artificial environment of benchmarks.  For the
> article I wrote up, I emphasized specifically that benchmarks measure one
> thing and it's one thing that is not very important to me: how well the
> server handles benchmark loads.  If folks here are really worried about
> this then developing algorithms that optimize handling large numbers of
> GETs from a proportionately small number of clients on low latency
> networks should be a priority.  Otherwise, take it for what it is:
> measurements that have little bearing on real world performance.  It's not
> that I don't think the benchmark authors are sincere, I just don't think
> they really understand the number of crazy factors that effect real world
> performance: network latency, buggy browsers and goofy tcp/ip 
> implementations are not simulated.  
> -Ian
> On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> :> Your 500 requets/sec qare a _lot_ easier than theirs probably.
> :> 
> :> This is over a large dataset (at least a few hundred megs) of varying
> :> sizes.
> :
> :Could be.  They don't expand on that aspect of it.  If IIS was twice as
> :fast as Apache on similar hardware, then I don't think I would be getting
> :all these NT/IIS/ASP to Unix/Apache/PHP converts showing up on the PHP3
> :mailing list.  Most of them cite performance and stability as their reason
> :for switching.
> --
> Where there's no emotion, there's no motive for violence.
> 		-- Spock, "Dagger of the Mind", stardate 2715.1

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