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From Ben Laurie <>
Subject Re: Voting Summary
Date Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:00:21 GMT
> In reply to Ben Laurie who said
> > 
> > > A patch system works when the changes are just that, patches.
> > 
> > I think the patch and vote system works well for "final" releases, where it
> > is vital that everything works everywhere.
> and you're just "patching" mistakes, yeah, agree.
> > 
> > I find it difficult to imagine how your continuously changing source works. If
> > I, for instance, go and sort out this connection abstraction thing, which
> > touches almost every file, and at the same time you sort out the #ifdefs, how
> > do we reconcile the two sets of diffs?
> Good question, one that needs to be resolved soon.
> > I can see it for an OS, coz you can say "hands off this subsystem for a couple
> > of weeks while I sort out X", but you can't say "hands off Apache for a couple
> > of weeks". Or can you?
> It doesn't work like this. We use CVS which allows people to work on the
> same files at the same time, cvs takes care of conflicts for you.

OK, how hard is it to set up to use CVS? I might be prepared to put some time
into this, coz it would be handy for internal use, too.

> > It has occurred to me that for sweeping changes, there should be a special
> > 1-patch version, which belongs to the maker of the sweeping changes. Obviously,
> > whoever does this should try to do it quickly!
> Ehh?
> > 
> > I'm in favour of relaxing the voting rules for the beta releases - for
> > instance, we could allow OS incompatibilities (so long as someone fixes them
> > in the next round).
> Things have to be allowed to be broken when you're in the wild development
> stage, particularly across platform.
> Seriously, this becomes difficult and very frustrating. With the current
> system the only way to do the ifdef cleanup is to totally freeze the tree
> for as long as it takes me to do it, otherwise I'll spend all my time
> collecting patch submissions and playing catch up in my own copy of the
> sources. This doesn't work, been down this road before with FreeBSD.

This is what I meant above, to which you said "Ehh?".

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