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From Paul Richards <>
Subject Re: Where goest Apache?
Date Mon, 04 Dec 1995 17:18:05 GMT
In reply to Jim Jagielski who said
> Maybe I'm reading this all wrong; maybe the whole original intent was to
> be able to maintain some control (ala FSF) over Apache. That's good. That's
> proper. I'm all for that. But I just hope that we don't start down a path
> that becomes more commercial as time goes along.

I think you are, at least from the position I'm putting anyway.

Apache will *ALWAYS* be free. There'll be no requirement to pay anything
to grab the source and do whatever you want with it (within the
licensing terms of course).

I should have added a smiley to my comments about people wanting to
sign checks. I thought everyone would get the gist of what I meant,
which was, the corporate guys who authorise decisions such as what
server the company will standardise on, don't like choosing things
that are hacked to together by a bunch of folks who are basically
having fun. That's the corporate folks perception of projects
such as Apache. These people are not internet aware to the extent we
are, they don't realise that much of the better internet software
gets implemented this way.

They might be more willing to adopt a free server that was backed by an
actual organisation and if that organisation had a number of
well known sponsors then that makes it all the more credible.

So, I'm certainly not advocating the commercialisation of Apache
but if it's going to go that extra step and start competing with the
Netscape market then it needs to gain credibilty in the commercial
sector and that's less likely to happen unless a more formal structure
is adopted.

Incidentally, in reply to some other comments about finances. If the
project continues as it is, with a relatively small number of
hackers contributing code and communicating on this list then, yes, ok,
there's little need for finance. If you want to take the project onto
the next plane, so to speak, you need money. You need money to
run an organisation, just simple accountancy fees etc but that's
not the main reason for needing finances. To really take this project
the extra mile you need to have BOF's at various conferences, the key
developers need to actually meet, key developers need to speak at
user groups etc.

The FreeBSD core members have all met at various times, largely at the
expense of Walnut Creek. Wherever Walnut Creek go, FreeBSD usually tags
along with a stall or a BOF or whatever. Various core members have also 
travelled the world talking at user groups etc. This is all an important
part in generating the enthusiasm for the project, getting people to
use it in the first place. Once they try it then it's down to technical
issues whether they like it but doing all the PR to get people
to try it costs money and Apache doesn't have an interested financial
backer like FreeBSD had in it's early days.

You may not think the project needs money at the moment but that's
because you're thinking about what we currently have rather than
how much more that could be done for the project given the resources.

  Paul Richards, Netcraft Ltd.
  Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1225 447500 (work)

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