Return-Path: owner-new-httpd Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA27228; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:05:28 -0700 Received: from neon.netscape.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA27221; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:05:26 -0700 Received: (from robm@localhost) by neon.netscape.com (950215.SGI.8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA13821; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:04:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:04:49 -0700 From: Rob McCool Message-Id: <199509082204.PAA13821@neon.netscape.com> To: new-httpd@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: netscape marketing In-Reply-To: <9509081910.AA26139@ooo.lanl.gov> References: <9509081910.AA26139@ooo.lanl.gov> Sender: owner-new-httpd@apache.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: new-httpd@apache.org So I need to understand what your issues are with our marketing department before I can tell them why they might be upsetting people and what they should be doing instead. Brian B, you called the mail you got unprofessional. Were you upset because of unsolicited e-mail? Because he called it an upgrade? Because he called Apache shareware when it's different? Rob H, I'm not going to get dragged into a pissing match with you about which server is better or worse than the other. Each server has its pluses and its minuses. I think you all, especially Rob T, deserve a great congratulations because you've assembled a fine product with a lot of interesting features. Is the problem really only a semantic problem of calling Apache shareware when it's more accurately freeware? If that's it, then I can have them call it whatever you like. Just tell me and I'll let the appropriate people know. Or is the problem that our marketing is trying to convince people that Netsite might meet their needs better? If so, I'm having trouble seeing why that is a problem. Freeware/shareware is not about market shares, or establishing user bases, or piling every feature that everyone else has into your own product. It's about something much deeper than that and I hope you can see that. For a while at NCSA, I watched market shares very closely. People there are very enthusiastic in the same way, many of them seem to think that the web is a great big competition for users attention. But after the first couple of months, I began to realize that competition wasn't what it was all about, and that market share wasn't very important in the grand scheme of things. Why did it matter to me if ten people were running my server, or fifty, or ten thousand? It didn't make a difference because I was doing it because I liked to do it. I liked creating new features and functionality and watching how people put them to use. If people started to use CERN because it met their needs better, I had no problem with that. The Apache goals I saw when the project started were similar: provide an alternative, robust public domain server for people who wanted it. That doesn't mean that if less or more people want it, that it's any less valid. So if you tell me, in rational terms, what you would like the marketing people to stop doing and why, then I'll pass the information on to them. I can't convince anyone to do anything with the information and threats I've seen so far. --Rob