Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CC9200C3B for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2017 01:46:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 2F4D0160B80; Sat, 4 Mar 2017 00:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 77093160B6D for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2017 01:46:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 52556 invoked by uid 500); 4 Mar 2017 00:46:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@hive.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@hive.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@hive.apache.org Received: (qmail 52541 invoked by uid 99); 4 Mar 2017 00:46:31 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 04 Mar 2017 00:46:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id BCD1AC05B2 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2017 00:46:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.18 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.18 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WCSy5ToQNHWW for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2017 00:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf0-f49.google.com (mail-lf0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 011C15F29C for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2017 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f49.google.com with SMTP id a6so53942947lfa.0 for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2017 16:46:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ksMxusO57kS0XyIFpTx6TmQ6d75jZZyS8t5c8QaOptE=; b=baAywr52VP/ZBDEi/HnuLjQwHV95xVYqWkCL9oLzvLJUwfxrQI/yZydsYTxUuDYy6p BH4HlrDtmUgtP3rWr6R8x5hJ4KcZcoNFxoLexzaXYLGI9hSOvqgVaeC+UfpkGGblC8Di BcQuuKaWgM7MQx4NU1T0qvkgaN9sYjBQSnVG9B6LUcnupwhdHrrquRnIPxBtt/3jy1vO 8iXKwim5H1m2Ki2I8sfvwr68ReY5+TWoQkKdvaTgCL0VvMmY40ApS+NtUQ3ZtGSSeNwY jsdq3wJ9cn+24CNJcRAduKiDthKaLVQanQ43CSe841gb3GwMfrPjqfgIe8xfpjyY3hBm 5LyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ksMxusO57kS0XyIFpTx6TmQ6d75jZZyS8t5c8QaOptE=; b=DvDK+qn/Tg67GRPAdAZXkyaooI4v9HEyk29b3sgfEyqJa3VgUM7t5oJ1I1f7kIUs+7 rBb8f+bqBWPlKvnHgpqSLDUDhVCCLTZkPozEQkkqS3YArevGfr1lG7NSwRdHYHzvVrvr JFlEfQNQ93PmIcNj1Z52JV4Zwa7wDsZFF9Lx5JQjeeVK4b3akb4T0dLgFFGqjaVkiQX7 KSHARqjgyazog7PfrY2TLrYbM1lUFBmpcC+Cs56UryiQX2CecyNzH9WegVJuMsqTi9j8 HcJaE5GilRtwTgzhnkNzbU7INBhc32m0xrCQChiF3uA2rt6T8VtXB4o3bYr8RZH1rpLX KPLg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kR/0liM9qBfL/ts1cFTSkOIHuuHhm2a1Dy+VCroxDIg5xRj94lzwws8MiIw1w02jZDvkgbc+eQuSrujQ== X-Received: by 10.46.72.10 with SMTP id v10mr1805062lja.22.1488588384517; Fri, 03 Mar 2017 16:46:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.219.151 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:46:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Edward Capriolo Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 19:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Backward incompatible changes To: "dev@hive.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045ea65ee044a40549dcfd00 archived-at: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 00:46:33 -0000 --f403045ea65ee044a40549dcfd00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im not a fan of this our feature branching was supposed to protect us from broken trumk syndrome. I am a believer in releaseable trunk. Make it work and keep it working. On Friday, March 3, 2017, Sergey Shelukhin wrote: > Can we at least release 2.2 first? There=E2=80=99s massive amount of unre= leased > code right now on master. > > On 17/3/3, 13:50, "Ashutosh Chauhan" = > > wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >Hive project has come a long way. With wide-spread adoption also comes > >expectations. Expectation of being backward compatible and not breaking > >things. However that doesn't come free of cost and results in lot of > >legacy > >code which can't be refactored without fear of breaking things. As a > >result > >project has accumulated lot of debt over time. At the same time there ar= e > >also lot of features which have seen little uptake. We may want to drop > >some of those. > > > >In order to move forward and shed that debt we may need a major version > >release which allows us to make backward incompatible changes and drop > >rarely used features. At the same time there are lots of users which are > >consuming currently released 2.1 , 2.2 branches and expect them to stay = on > >it for some time. So, I propose that we create branch-2 from current tip > >and do future 2.x releases from that branch and keep it backward > >compatible. This will allow devs to land breaking changes on master and > >pave way to release hive 3.0 in future. > > > >Ofcourse, each specific incompatible change and feature drop even on > >master need to be evaluated on its own merit on corresponding jira. This > >email is just a solicitation of feedback for creating branch-2 and > >allowing > >breaking changes in master. Thoughts? > > > >Thanks, > >Ashutosh > > --=20 Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check than usual. --f403045ea65ee044a40549dcfd00--