Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC52200C79 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:14:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 6B36E160BBE; Fri, 19 May 2017 13:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 832FE160BD5 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 77013 invoked by uid 500); 19 May 2017 13:14:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@hc.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "HttpComponents Project" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@hc.apache.org Received: (qmail 76112 invoked by uid 99); 19 May 2017 13:14:07 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 19 May 2017 13:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 7E5631883D6 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 13:14:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.379 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.379 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 84n2p4hU44vx for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 13:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 59BA45FB32 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 13:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f53.google.com with SMTP id h4so91264038oib.3 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qt+5UjtwY/yZR90sZTZABYxG74YrV+EmDcnLpqjpg48=; b=pFu5f4ut/2cU8GHMe0LlY8tvzfZ7tvsJ7DseEjTx+lg/GQt4TFY29noW1yuSRBnjFL nrVVyNwRyOvbYJqDnos8m7jArbDS2IS4dViZRRD8LF5CtI1Mgr4SAUJwt9cHjnlt7H4y XNjV3fyyrRAG3N+HgjAPCtZ+TpaW9wDcUEtzbQhlWo5Q1WEVTN5j3iBTndvDDh3hlvKb RXJdLlUuOvtaV8tO47DcLzJO07lQyZcS4YhwocygQt6JHCKExDjZFYnV2h5UlGoHZxuc TNa+DqhQ9ntXeYI0I9pbdMEzCyNkjgPToPHGaxZPOYL1qW2RoIogjKOeWTKjtqkfe6o5 ZbGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qt+5UjtwY/yZR90sZTZABYxG74YrV+EmDcnLpqjpg48=; b=AskmHAvrExbxx408nm19QPa3wuzppJjUuEE8u8DFRQQrPGhIcKNWZ5S/xwzucHDdWP /OCf1ry2ctNQ/GsNwTx6D+SjqAi1AmXv4sH+vzBM400Vysy4ohxmpugAojneFjoHoyq1 I+a2Fj3HrrAoRxrHwhuxTa0BZKzU+1nfseMeu2xxRYv3v7c/xbypMSBfR5r3VdYayNkU uCueTg8Z1kEoI1YmPtpFOFltP8W2zoe4GEGVfBI55Ejw2zNJLuks1Vu7bX89CeTs9Otm ncCok6ekIjx+6rh1RyIFzUTDgQEG8pPBto57ulcDludauQMpEsw6OQ9AZxIMcJZLHcxB 5pfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcA5J8CI/hsTpYPIylT340k9lVHkUq/X4fFtoc2/q2RECL4fko9f uaP9zpNwFK9/uh1eOb1gCHorUkiMoQ== X-Received: by 10.157.17.229 with SMTP id y34mr4712858oty.150.1495199644132; Fri, 19 May 2017 06:14:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.12.87 with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2017 06:14:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1495198759.32160.1.camel@apache.org> References: <010661f8-4e15-01af-6a5a-971baa1348ca@apache.org> <1495198759.32160.1.camel@apache.org> From: Julian Sedding Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 15:14:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Git policies and practices To: HttpComponents Project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" archived-at: Fri, 19 May 2017 13:14:09 -0000 Hi Oleg As I explained in the thread branched from this one, I fear that rewriting public history will irritate/alienate potential contributors as well as existing committers. In my opinion deterring contributors is a hefty price to pay in order to satisfy your desire for an immaculate public history. As I understand it, you "need" the clean public history in order to create the release notes. Is that correct? I suggested to base the release notes on JIRA issues instead. Is this not possible? If yes, why? We can already fully control if a PR is merged or not, so we are only talking about committers spoiling the history. I believe we should be able to encourage and teach a relatively small group of people to improve their habits. Your threat of a veto suggests that you are more pessimistic about this, which makes me sad, especially should you be right. My strong preference is to trust the circle of committers instead of rewriting public history. Regards Julian On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote: > On Fri, 2017-05-19 at 13:19 +0200, Michael Osipov wrote: >> Since I haven't received anymore comments on the guidelines, I'll >> close >> the questioning and call a vote for commmitters and PMC members. >> >> Michael >> > > Michael > > I just want to tell you upfront I will vote -1 on the proposal as long > as it has the clause about never rewriting release branches. > > Oleg > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@hc.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@hc.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@hc.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@hc.apache.org