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From "Oleg Kalnichevski (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (HTTPCLIENT-1201) provide basic documentation in an obvious place
Date Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:46:23 GMT

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Oleg Kalnichevski commented on HTTPCLIENT-1201:
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@Eric

This is a classic case of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'. In the HttpClient 3.x days
it was fashionable to rubbish it for not being flexible enough. Now when HttpClient 4.x can
do so much more  people complain about it being too complex. Same goes for documentation.
HttpClient 3.x did not have a comprehensive tutorial, just a bunch of short, unrelated documents
and was often criticized for that. People will always find something to bitch about. Especially
if their problems turn out to be of their own making. Thanks for the words of encouragement,
anyway.

@Miles

If you want this whole story to end with some practical outcome, start producing patches.
Otherwise, your big, bold statements are meaningless and useless.

(1) HttpClient tutorials can be found here

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpcomponents/httpclient/trunk/src/docbkx/

You can build HTML or PDF documents out of XML sources by running 

mvn docbkx:generate-pdf 
mvn docbkx:generate-html        

(2) HttpClient web site sources can be found here

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpcomponents/httpclient/trunk/src/site/

You can change site navigation by modifying 

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpcomponents/httpclient/trunk/src/site/site.xml

You can add new pages or modify existing ones by changing these documents

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpcomponents/httpclient/trunk/src/site/apt/

You can re-generate the site locally and check out how it looks by running

mvn site

(3) HttpClient API closely follows the language of the HTTP specification and terminology
used by the spec. There is no such thing HTTP parameters in the HTTP spec. There are different
types of content entities including content bodies produced by HTML forms that are frequently
interpreted by server side scripts or APIs (such as Servlet API) as 'parameters'. If you find
working with entities too difficult you are welcome to use the fluent facade API included
with HttpClient 4.2. 

http://hc.apache.org/httpcomponents-client-ga/tutorial/html/fluent.html

Alternatively, feel free to contribute a Builder class for common HTTP requests with a better,
more intuitive API. That would in fact be a very welcome contribution to the project.

And if you are not willing to put your money where your mouth is, better say nothing at all.

Oleg
                
> provide basic documentation in an obvious place
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: HTTPCLIENT-1201
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HTTPCLIENT-1201
>             Project: HttpComponents HttpClient
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Documentation
>    Affects Versions: 4.2 Final
>            Reporter: miles zarathustra
>
> The only documentation obviously linked from the main HttpClient page is the "tutorial."
 This "tutorial" talks about a lot of esoteric arcane junk I don't care about, but gives no
clue on how to send parameters via a basic post.  For that, I have to go here: 
> http://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/QuickStart
> It's very difficult to find, and it's a lot easier to google examples that don't work.
 I wound up trying 4 different purported solutions before I found this one that works. If
you look around the web you'll notice that people generally find the httpclient documentation
frustrating.  I have colleagues who argue that it would be easier to just write the post logic
from scratch than figure out how the silly apache stuff works, and it's difficult for me to
contradict them.
> It would be SO easy to improve the situation by making links to already available examples
of the basic operations in an obvious place.
> The FAQ that explains some things about WHY the posts work in the totally non-intuitive
way that they do would be nice also.
> Thanks.

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