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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] HttpComponents Client 4.1-alpha2 release
Date Thu, 13 May 2010 16:29:15 GMT
On 13/05/2010, Oleg Kalnichevski <olegk@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 16:49 +0100, sebb wrote:
>  > On 13/05/2010, Oleg Kalnichevski <olegk@apache.org> wrote:
>  > > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 15:51 +0100, sebb wrote:
>  > >  > On 13/05/2010, Oleg Kalnichevski <olegk@apache.org> wrote:
>  > >  > > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 10:41 +0100, sebb wrote:
>  > >  > >  > On 13/05/2010, Oleg Kalnichevski <olegk@apache.org>
wrote:
>  > >  > >  > > On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 01:12 +0100, sebb wrote:
>  > >  > >  > >  > On 12/05/2010, Oleg Kalnichevski <olegk@apache.org>
wrote:
>  > >  > >  > >  > > Please vote on releasing these packages as
HttpComponents Client
>  > >  > >  > >  > >  4.1-alpha2. The vote is open for the next
72 hours, and only votes from
>  > >  > >  > >  > >  HttpComponents PMC members are binding.
The vote passes if at least
>  > >  > >  > >  > >  three binding +1 votes are cast and there
are more +1 than -1 votes.
>  > >  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >  > >  Packages:
>  > >  > >  > >  > >  http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpclient-4.1-alpha2/
>  > >  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > >  > Please can you upload the Maven packages as well,
so we can vote on those too?
>  > >  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > >  > Should be largely a formality if the main packages
are OK, but they do
>  > >  > >  > >  > need to be voted on.
>  > >  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > > Sebastian, we have been through that, haven't we? Only
source package
>  > >  > >  > >  represents an official release artifact that needs
to be voted on.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > The Maven artifacts always include source files, either as
source jars
>  > >  > >  > (which should be provided), if not then at least pom.xml
will be
>  > >  > >  > included.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > >  Binary artifacts are merely byproducts. If you want
to verify they are
>  > >  > >  > >  ok, you should build them from source.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > That's not strictly true either - binary artifacts need to
be
>  > >  > >  > inspected to ensure that the appropriate N&L files are
present.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > > Please see
>  > >  > >  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-34
>  > >  > >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Which was never really resolved and anyway does not cover the point
>  > >  > about N&L at all.
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Precisely. Hen's statement boils down to a simple fact that there is no
>  > >  ASF wide policy on the matter and it is up to individual projects unless
>  > >  the Board rules otherwise.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > >  My main problem is not with uploading a bunch of files,
but the fact you
>  > >  > >  > >  are changing an established release process in the
middle of a release
>  > >  > >  > >  without prior discussion and a consent from other committers.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >  > My point is that the process is IMO not following the ASF
standard,
>  > >  > >  > and therefore needs to be fixed.
>  > >  > >  >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > > There is no ASF standard. It is up to individual projects. Please
see
>  > >  > >  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-34
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Not really relevant as source releases must be approved by the PMC.
>  > >  > The Maven artefacts include source, and therefore must be voted on.
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Is there an official statement to that effect by the Board I could have
>  > >  a look at?
>  > >
>  >
>  > No idea.
>  >
>  > But I hope it's agreed that source releases must be voted on by the PMC.
>  > Maven includes source, and is a release.
>  >
>  > >
>  > >  > Regardless of the JIRA issue, I think the consumers of ASF releases
>  > >  > have a right to expect that the archives etc have been formally
>  > >  > approved as part of the "quality control" applied by the ASF
>  > >  > organisation.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Why not just publish the Maven artefacts so we can include them in the
vote?
>  > >  >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > How exactly do you suggest that I do that, as the artifacts are
>  > >  generated by Maven from source at deployment time?
>  >
>  > This is actually quite easy, see
>  > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-55
>  >
>  > >  Besides, the release process is already is painful enough. I see no good
>  > >  reason for making it even more painful due to some completely arbitrary
>  > >  requirement.
>  >
>  > It's not arbitrary.
>  >
>
>
> I am sorry, Sebastian, but per comment from legal unless the Board makes
>  a clear statement, it is just arbitrary

Source releases still require PMC votes.

>
>  Oleg
>
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